tom: i have to get your blood boiling -- charles calomiris -- r paul krugman saying something surrogate a for the fed while we clear markets? charles: i do not know if you remember, six years ago we did a special event where we talked about fiscal policy. we had interesting people. bob schiller. tom: peter orszag. charles: we have needs for investment, including education. there is lots you can imagine from a fiscal capacity. here is what we lack, debt capacity. we do not have the debt capacity to do those things. real reform, which we could have done with bowles simpson, if obama would have been serious, could it put us in a position to break through this. an exclusive. i think they agreed on something. let's look at oil, not on the demand side, the supply side. global oil production was once flat. then it went up, then it really went up, up, up. this curve of his more and more in accelerating with production. teachs calomiris, you this at columbia. there is a point where the microeconomics gets squishy. doing away the price is on oil right now? charles: $40 a barrel. tom: but it is st