welcome back to wells. apart with charles cochin, senior fellow at the council for foreign relations and professor of international affairs at georgetown university. because the captain, before the break, you mentioned that it was a false premise of mind to it. just, you know, nato was militarize in ukraine than they've ever presented any military side to russian. i want to mention 2 points here. before doing this show i was a worker respondent and i was on the ground in libya and syria. and it was pretty easy to observe there that you don't need to heavily on the entire population, the entire country to destabilize it. you know, it takes, you know, only a small minority to wreak, care, rushes, history itself is, is a good example of that. and the 2nd point is that i'm sure you're following the munich security conference that said top security conference in the, in the west. and it was at that conference that present allows you earlier this year, openly talk about acquiring the idea of acquiring nuclear weapons. and no one in the audience or no one in western capitals said anything t

charles, cochin senior fellow at the council for foreign relations and professor of international affairs at georgetown university. because the question before they break, you mentioned that it was a false premise of mine to suggest that, you know, nato was military, the ukraine than that it ever presented any military side to russian. i want to mention 2 points here. before doing this show, i was a worker respondent and i was on the ground in libya and syria. and it was really easy to observe there that you don't need too heavily on the entire population. the entire country to destabilize it. you know, it takes, you know, only a small minority to wreak, care, rushes, history itself is, is a good example of that. and the 2nd point is that i'm sure you know, following the medic security conference that said top security conference in the, in the west. and it was at that conference that president allows you earlier this year, openly talk about acquiring the idea of acquiring nuclear weapons. and no one in the audience or no one in western capitals said anything today to, to that effect, eve