back with me again is charles coleman, a prosecutor and civil rights attorney.anted to get on the attorney for the families and we had a bit of technical difficulties coming on so we really appreciate you coming in and pinch hitting. i want to first play one of the moms, jody brown. she's the mother of one of the little girls and the aunty of the other little girl. this is what she said earlier today on cnn. >> the kids are supposed to be, you know, happy and, you know, acknowledged and greeted and having a good time so the fact that this even happened, the fact that this was going to be a core memory for them when it comes to sesame place is actually disgusting and unbelievable. i spoke up and released my video and now there's multiple parents who have similar videos with that character doing the same thing to the same race of children, so for me that's not a coincidence at all. >> i mean, indeed. i have on my ingram a bunch of other videos that i pulled from jackie reid's ingram feed. social media is up in arms that there are other families now posting videos,

. >>> i want to bring in now charles coleman, civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst. charles, police have said, quote, actions by the suspect caused the officers to perceive he posed a deadly threat to them and because of that, they discharged their firearms, striking the suspect. from what you've seen, does this body cam footage support that argument? >> absolutely not. i think before you talk about this, there are so many different things about the situation that don't make sense, one of them being that if they believed he posed a deadly threat or was capable of posing a deadly threat, then that undercuts the notion of them using the tasers to begin with. they used the tasers, missed with the tasers, and then they decided to use their firearms as a means of trying to subdue the suspect. in addition to that, the notion that one man who ultimately was actually unarmed posed a dangerous threat to any one of those eight not only armed but bodily armored officers is absolutely absurd, as he is trying to get away from him. it will be telling what the medical examiner repor

. >> [inaudible] >> charles f. coleman jr.d civil service rights lawyer. -- tell me what you think about this in terms of the information not being backed up enough in some fashion before any device migration. i am a common person and i backup my phone two or three times a month over emails, text messages, a whole lot of things. i can't imagine a government agency as important as the secret service not having some kind of automatic backup of all these text messages. >> ayman, it's good to be here and talk with you again. i think when you are talking about they're not being backups to this important data, there are a couple of things that you need to remember. number one, as you've already said, this is a government agency in the sensitivity of this information that people are dealing with absolutely demands as an imperative that they are secure and that they are backed up. that's number one. as a former prosecutor, my question is accountability. the reason why i say this, there was a complete nexus of information about how muc

. >> let's bring in msnbc legal contributor, charles coleman. the weekend is, "bannon says he is going medieval during his trial." the judge says, "meh." >> joe, i can't think of any reason or any manner or pathway steve bannon has to an acquittal here. one of the reasons i say that is the judge in the case, judge nichols, district judge in d.c., made it so clear. any of the defenses bannon would try to advance would not be applied in front of the jury. one a last-ditch effort he made was he agreed he was going to sit before the january 6th committee and testify, which is ultimately what he's been held in contempt about in the first place. the problem is, you can't do that now and then think that's going to somehow relieve you of what your obligations were during the investigative phase. that's the issue he is facing. he can't get around it, the biggest element the government has to prove is intent, which is something they can do very straightforwardly. so he doesn't really have a path to a win here. i'm not sure how medieval or where medieval he

. >> joining me now is coleman, cbc analyst. welcomed, charles.et to the stats here, only a few thousand text players are at -- of the hundred 50 million returns. in your mind, you see this as a coincidence, or is it a cause for concern? if it's a cause for concern, will clip the legal ramifications be if politics plate into these audits? >> well good afternoon, alex, it's always a pleasure to talk with you. i think when you're talking about these type of things, they are not coincidental. we have seen inquiries into people's tax information be used as political fodder on a number of different levels, especially at the state and local level. we've seen that relatively common practice in terms of someone who is an enemy of the people, if you will, and now all of a sudden there is this information that emerges around them and their taxes. i think-able marilyn mosby and baltimore, and how that's unfolded. unfortunately. at a federal level, when you're talking about the executive, the president of the united states of america, is potentially implement

. >> charles coleman, it's always good to have your experience and perspective, thank you so much.ood to see you today. >>> meantime, nick mulvaney is meeting today with the january 6th committee. mulvaney resigned after the kreks. moments ago he arrived at the capitol. nbc news had the only camera there to ask about his appearance. >> what are you planning to tell the committee today? >> the truth. how about that for a start? >> were you asked to come in, or did you volunteer to come in? >> asked. >> subpoena or no? >> honestly, just asked to come in. >> mulvaney is testifying behind closed doors. mike pom pompeo has been asked to appear before the committee as well. that's going to do it for me today. i'm chris jansing. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. is a journey for the curious traveler, one that many have yet to discover. exploring with viking brings you closer to the world, to the history, the culture, the flavors, a serene river voyage on an elegant viking longship. learn more at viking.com i gotta say moving in together has been awesome. a serene river voyage on

let's bring in charles coleman. that video, as the mayor said, is heartbreaking.icult to watch. unfortunately, it's not the first time we've seen a video like that which is determined disturbing in itself. how exactly is that by the camera but it's going to play and the investigation? >> it's going to be significant. it's going to be a big deal in terms of how this investigation unfolds. because as the lawyer for his family says, we are going to learn about how many officers actually did reload after they emptied their clip, how many officers continued to shoot as he was fleeing away from you, and that we also going to learn a lot from the medical report because is going to tell us about the exit wounds and how he was shot in the back versus where different bullets may have come in and out of his person after he was shot. because it does appear that he was shot in the back several times as he was attempting to flee. so that's going to play heavily into how this investigation ultimately plays out. >> in addition to the body cam video, we saw a photo of a weapon in

joining me now is charles coleman and jill winebanks, co-host of the sister-in-law so jill i'm going with you because you've got the popcorn pin on. keep that in mind, charles. there are a couple of puzzles for me hereby and one of the biggest ones is mark meadows. he not ted cruz who is a faux intellectual who sees himself as a 1777 era figure. he's a schucky former congressman from north carolina whose only notable thing was that he was a birther during president obama's presidency and he was a tea partyier. cassidy hutchinson testified about how he seemed to change in the days between december 14th and january 6th. let me play that. this is cassidy hutchinson. >> i perceived his goal with all of this to keep trump in office. you know, he had very seriously and deeply considered the allegations of the word fraud and when he began acknowledging that there wasn't enough voter fraud to overturn election, you know, i witnessed him start to explore potential constitutional loopholes more extensively. >> you know, during the watergate hearings, jishlgs i mean, the key were people like jo

>> wow, joining me now, charles coleman, civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst. o, charles, the police affidavit said callaway drove through a stop sign, it was driving 32 in a 20 mile per hour zone, but declined pull over for the police. give me year initial reaction here. does it seem police followed appropriate protocol? >> well, alex, absolutely not. we have had these conversations on a number of different occasions about the number of different cases. what i will say now, as i said then, is that there's no amount of driving in the world, there is no excuse for a traffic stop to turn into something like this. legally, police only have two different justifications as to when and how they can enter a home of a suspect. the first one is exigent circumstances, that means they're in pursuit of someone who they believe has completed or is in the process of completing a crime. that by going into the home, they are stopping evidence from being recovered. the second is a search warrant. in this case, we know they have no search warrant. the existence or come stances ex

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. >> joining me now, charles coleman, a former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst.u're in that room, what's your question for pat cipollone that he probably could answer and not cite executive or attorney-client privilege? >> well, chris, i think that when you're talking about the importance of this witness, one of the things that you want to do is just try to get them to but buttress, and cooperate, and not run afoul of executive privilege or attorney-client privilege but what i do expect that is going to happen is mr. cipollone is likely going to more often than none invoke his fifth amendment right from self-incrimination, and i don't expect him to elaborate rate on cassidy hutchinson's statement and i do expect he will be asked about it to try to get more information what he meant by that statement but i do does have the right against self-incrimination, so in terms of his response, you will likely see him plead the fifth, if we see this videotape at all. >> that particular statement, in particular, is that criminally incriminating? in other words if you're tryi

want to bring an msnbc legal analyst and civil rights attorney and former brooklyn prosecutor, charles coleman juror junior. so, charles, just painting a picture of the possibility of trump being indicted. how would that work? it is a huge position that the doj would >> good morning, charles, it's great to speak with you and always good to talk with you. when you're heading on with that question is really a lot of where the problem is. i think joe has laid out the different possibilities of what could happen with respect to charging former president trump. viewers have to understand that it's significant that the doj does not, they don't miss on the, they can't miss on that. i hate to call or refer to trump as a king, but with trump as a cane you can't miss. coming after a former president in this banner with war with criminal charges, it requires that you're dead on and that you can secure a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. beyond that, beyond what they charge him with, it has to be of substance. it can't be something lighter minor, because ultimately this lack of prior contact with the

. >> let me bring in charles coleman junior, msnbc legal analyst, civil rights attorney, and former brooklynversation. so that now i have my full sound off compliment of panelists here. i can look at all of your pretty faces. charles, if the committee invites pence, trump, and pence, to come in and have a top, on a scale of 1 to 10, do you think that they're showing up? >> i'm going to go with a negative 80 on that one. >> [laughs] >> i just doubt that by any stretch of the imagination. the idea than any either of them would come -- the truth is, jonathan, if we are even going to entertain this, neither of them has anything to gain by coming. i think that the narrative that pence now has around him as someone who in the 11th hour decided to do the right thing, go against his boss is good enough narrative for him in terms of whatever political career he wants to salvage going forward. and in terms of president trump, he has convinced himself that by pushing the narrative to the american public, but this is a witch hunt. and i think that he does not do himself any favors by even remotely consi

. >> charles coleman, having heard all that have in hearing the reporting, if it's just a migration,ould tab criminal probe then? >> joy, i think the simple teens that at this point people aren't buying it. i don't think that anyone has any confidence with respect to the secret service because the story continues to evolve and change in different directions, and what that is telling us is that there's more that meets the eye in terms of what we're hearing around this migration and the data apparently lost. the secret service historically has an issue around credibility and the preservation of documents and data. we know that going back all the way into watergate and other -- and even the assassination of john f. kennedy and how that was handled around different records, and this is quite frankly no different, unfortunately, and i think that at this point the credibility of the secret service is not high enough to keep people from thinking that what they have told us initially about the situation is entirely true and so now we're at the point where given the nature of the information

coleman in los angeles, thanks. eric. eric: road rage cases increase across the country, police in georgia are investigating a highway shooting that was caught on tape. charlesin atlanta with this, hi, charles. charles: hey, good afternoon, eric. we are seeing a disturbing rise in road wage incidents involving guns plaguing out in highways across the country and unfortunately, eric, a lot of the disputes are escalating into deadly violence. >> oh, my god. what is it? charles: woodstock, georgia, a man identified as 61-year-old wayne shot 14 shots in sedan wounding the driver twice. police said victim tried to pass before the 61-year-old starting shooting. mind you in the view of a police officer who quickly caught up with the shooter and arrested him. facing a number of charges including aggravated assault. this is just one example of a rise in road rage incidents that rending in gun violence according to an analysis from every town resource. the latest numbers showing the percentage of road rage incidents that ended with a person being shot or killed doubled last year averaging 44 people a day compared to pre-pandemic average of 22 people. deadly scenes lik