i'm charles coleman junior, sitting in for ali velshi. another hour of velshi is coming up, after a quick break. stay right there. stay right there the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. >> good morning. it's sunday november 19th. i am charles coleman junior, filling in this morning for my friend ali velshi. unfortunately, at least tested positive this morning for covid, we are wishing him a very speedy recovery. we begin this morning with a litany of legal matters that donald trump faces in the weeks ahead. less than 24 hours from now, a panel of judges at the court of appeals for the d.c. circuit will hear arguments regarding the gag order filed against the former president in the federal election interference case.

i'm charles coleman jr. in for ari tonight. somehow amid donald trump's bloefuating, puffery, and dodging, prosecutors managed to pin him down on a few things today. including an admission he made about trump tower. one of the properties that's at the center of the trial. in 2015, donald trump valued his penthouse at $327 million. this was the highest valuation of any apartment in the history of new york city. but today, in court and under oath, donald trump admitted that figure was, quote, too high. but don't think he took accountability for the misstep. he blamed a broker for the over valuation. trump also acknowledging under oath his role in putting the documents showing the value of his properties. trump saying, quote, i would look at them, meaning the documents, quote, i would see them, and i would make on occasion have some suggestions, end quote. and with trump being trump, he littered his testimony with exaggeration, and outbursts, at one point claim my network is financially more than what were on the financial stateme

i'm charles coleman junior in four ali velshi today.continuing to follow developments out of israel and gaza, where we are still awaiting the expected exchange of a third group of hostages for another group of palestinian prisoners. joining me now to talk about this on saddest i'm aquatic congressman from the borough of queens here in new york. he is the ranking member of the foreign affairs committee, and the dean of cbc house members, as far as i'm concerned. he recently returned from a trip to israel with a congressional delegation. congressman, it's always good to see you, how are you doing? >> good to be with you, brother coleman. >> let's start. this is day three of this four-day pause in fighting between israel and hamas. we are now hearing that an american might be among one of the hostages exchanged. for our audience who might not necessarily understand or no. why did it take three days to get to this point, of an american being released among the hostages? >> president biden has been working very hard. he has been one that has

i'm charles coleman junior, in four ali velshi. we continue our coverage in the middle east for a second group of hostages is set to be released today, in exchange for another group of palestinian prisoners. the situation is very fluid, so the timeline of today's expected spot and the number of hostages expected to be released are still unclear. but we are following developments closely. you are taking a look right now outside of the ofer prison, and israeli prison in the west bank. this is your palestinian prisoners club to be transferred from. this is reporting at least one empty bus is sitting outside thon, getting ready for the transfer. yesterday,13 iaelis, as well as ten ty nationals and one filipino, we're released in exchange for 39 palestinian person or selden israel. another result of this deal has been a four-day truce between israel and hamas. since yesterday, there's been a quiet over the gaza skyline for the first time in 40 days. this comes as israel halts its brutal military campaign to allow the hostage swap in the

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joining me is charles coleman jr., former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. and hugo lowell, political investigations reporter for the guardian. thank you both for being here. charles, i want to start with you because i'm going to read it again. i wanted to go back. i was thinking about going back during the problem to stop the problem and doing it myself. so obviously, donald trump believes that he had influence over the crowd. now, let me play you what convicted insurrectionist rioter steven ayers told the january 6th committee about when he would have left and why he would have left the capitol. take a listen. >> as soon as that come out, everybody started talking about it, and it seemed like it started to disperse basically when president trump put his tweet out. we literally left right after that come out. you know, to me, if he would have done that earlier in the day, 1:30, you know, we wouldn't be in this -- maybe we wouldn't be in this bad of a situation or something. >> it seems to me that he is essentially now admitting he had some control over the c

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charles coleman junior will be here with insights on what it all means. and, spotlight los angeles, mayor karen bass tells me about her old efforts to ease the homeless crisis in los angeles, and how she is helping other big city mayors meet the challenge. i'm jonathan capehart, this is the saturday show. this week started with democrats hair on fire. on monday a new york times poll showed presidential biden trailing donald trump in five out of six key battleground states. by tuesday night, voters had their say, and it was not good news for republicans. they were trounced at the polls on election night, after voters in ohio, kentucky, and virginia soundly rejected candidates who campaigned on a hot button issues like abortion. in ruby red ohio, voters and trying to right to abortion in the states constitution. a state trump won by eight points in 2020. they also legalized recreational marijuana. in ruby red kentucky, incumbent democratic governor andy beshear beat back a challenge from the states republican attorney general who has defended in court a 201

and former new york prosecutor charles coleman. who i believe it must be founders day for -- charles will start with you happy founders day. let's start with the news out of colorado. here is the secretary of state reacting to the judge's decision to keep trump on the ballot. >> having the courts say that the former president engaged in an insurrection is big news for the entire country. donald trump is a danger to american democracy and that is something that is really novel about this case. that the judge decided that. >> so she agreed with the plaintiffs that donald trump committed an insurrection on january 6th. can you explain this ruling to us? in the insurrection. why is he still allowed to be on the ballot? >> the biggest issue the case had from the outset is the notion that the 14th amendment in the united states constitution doesn't necessarily outlined, we have talked about this before. what the actual standard is to satisfy in order to take someone off the ballot, and so while the judge did in her assertion, basically ma

also with us, msnbc legal analyst and former prosecutor charles coleman.k us through today's testimony and what we expect as the defense begins to present its case. >> reporter: good morning. the prosecution rested its case on wednesday when ivanka trump took the stand. the defense already indicated, ana, they intend to rest their case come december 15th. we're looking at several weeks of the defense bringing their own witnesses, like in the case of don jr. today, back to the stand. they have presented to the judge a list of 175 potential witnesses they will bring forward. of course, we don't expect them to bring all 175 witnesses to the stand. in the case of don jr., he's already been on the stand for about 20 minutes at this point, and from inside the courtroom, i can tell you don jr. has so far listed out the vast number of properties that he had direct experience and direct involvement in, building a defense case that he was not in involved in the min issue of the exact valuation of each of the values of these different properties. the defense from don

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but also host of the charles coleman podcast. okay my friend, let's get into this, charles.pelling are these competing theories in court this week? is this a political question, or is it a constitutional one? and how much gets left to interpretation rather than just a sense of constitutional law. >> well alex, i think that at its core what we are dealing with is indeed the constitutional question. but it is inevitable that we have to consider the political lenses where we are exploring in examining this because we are in the midst of a presidential cycle and in election cycle where donald trump is a candidate. that being said, the issue really boils down to is how does the 14th amendment actually articulate what is insurrection for the purposes of disqualifying you candidate, and what is aiding insurrections for the purpose of describing defying a candidate. i think it's on trump's fence team has put forth a legal interesting theory. all of this being first impression. these are not issues that we receive. obviously this is new, uncharted territory. so because of that, the i

and former new york prosecutor and attorney charles coleman, who i believe, it must be founders day for the -- hence the sweater. charles, we'll start with you, happy founders day. let me start with the news out of colorado. here is the secretary of state reacting to the judge's decision to keep trump on the ballot. >> having the court say that the former president engaged in an instruction is big news for the entire country. donald trump is a danger to american democracy, and that is something that is really novel about this case, that the judge decided that. >> so she agreed with the plaintiffs that donald trump committed insurrection on january six. can you just explain this ruling to us. if you committed insurrection, why is he still a lot to be on the ballot? >> symone, i think the biggest issue that this case had from the very outset is the notion that the 14th amendment of the constitution does not necessarily outline, and we talked about this before, what the actual standard is dissatisfied in order to take some of the ball. while the judge did intervene her assertion basically

charles coleman jr. it's also here. former brooklyn prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. charles, donald trump hasn't been convicted of anything, yet. he has been and voted on many things. but i just read the insurrection. clause it doesn't so you have to be convicted of insurrection, dress that you participated. and i have eyes. i think he participated. i don't know. >> and that's the heart of the issue we're talking about, symone. the question is, what is the standard of the constitution has set -- in terms of establishing whether somebody has said the burden of being an insurrectionist or providing aid or comfort to insurrectionists. and because he has not been charged, nor convicted, the line becomes far more murky. and that's what we are where we are. >> charles, we have got 1100 people that have been indicted. -- have been pled guilty or found guilty of having an insurrection in washington on january 6th. over 600 years of sentences have been destroyed. you don't need a conviction. you don't need that in order for this part of the constitution to stick. and i think i

trump given the mindset of where jurors are with the sort of thing. >> it took four hours. >> charles coleman, we'll castile, david cay johnston. thank you all for being here. when we come back, i just said it, we're talking about it all night. the fall of crypto king, sam bankman-fried, two top reporters. one who just wrote the book on him had been in the courtroom for this entire spf trial. they will be here. and tonight, israel said the military has completely circle gaza city as airstrikes continue overnight. we'll have the latest on the ground operation for the israel gaza border. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a very busy thursday. bus thursday i didn't really piece together that dogs eat food. as soon as we brought the farmer's dog in, her skin was better, she was more active. if i can invest in her health and be proactive, i think it's worth it. visit betterforthem.com (♪♪) entresto is the #1 heart failure brand prescribed by cardiologists. it was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital. don't take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death

i have to introduce charles first, former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman.my friend, i'm sorry. let me ask you about what lindsey said. the prosecutors trying to get four defense witnesses removed. what is going on there? >> well, what those witnesses are intended to do is to rebut essential testimony from the prosecution, so basically they have these experts, and they have proffered the experts as being able to explain or refute what the prosecutors are putting on the in the case. the argument that letitia james is making, you're refuting witnesses we didn't put on. you give the judge a list of witnesses and who you expect to call. you don't have to abide by that. these were put on the defense's list in preparation to respond to what prosecutors said. in the absence of them making that case, the defense being able to put these witnesses on allows them unfettered access to basically create a narrative that is not being refuted by the prosecution. that's why they're fighting it. >> will they get removed? what's your outlook on that? >> unless donald trump's a

joining me now, charles coleman, former brooklyn new york prosecutor, and our civil rights attorney in an msnbc legal analyst. okay, my friend, let's get into this. asok atrump's legal schedule, look at that calendar and hocolicated it is. if judge cannon says she wot even consider certain deadlines in thiscase until march, where might this mar-a-lago case land on the calendar? >> well, alex, wherever it lands, this is exactly what donald trump's defense team wanted. they were trying to get this delayed as long as they could. this was the perfect case to do it. and the reason i say that is, the number of documents that are involved in the classifications of these documents required certain level of clearance for them to even get access to the discovery. then they potentially dragged their feet in terms of getting clearance necessary, judge aileen cannon hasn't shown doubling us to push this case along. i'm fully expecting that there could be an argument and that there will be an argument to move this past the election, and expect this might happen. which is something that his defense t

i'm charles coleman junior, filling in today for my friend and colleague, ali velshi.atching breaking news out of israel this morning where israel and hamas have entered day three of a four-day pause in fighting. we are expecting a third batch of israeli hostages and palestinian prisoners to be released at some point today as well. now, just moments ago, u.s. national security adviser, jake sullivan, told meet the press moderator, kristen wilkins, there is a reason to believe that an american will be among the hostages released today by hamas. the deal is still considered extremely fragile. >> the initial hostage deal involves the release of women and children. there are

trump given the mindset of where jurors are with the sort of thing. >> it took four hours. >> charles colemanile, david cay johnston. thank you all for being here. when we come back, i just said it, we're talking about it all night. the fall of crypto king, sam bankman-fried, two top reporters. one who just wrote the book on him had been in the courtroom for this entire spf trial. they will be here. and tonight, israel said the military has completely circle gaza city as airstrikes continue overnight. we'll have the latest on the ground operation for the israel gaza border. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a very busy thursday. loss affects your life. you miss out on important moments... you feel alone. start hearing better today with rca's all new, advanced hearing aids. these aren't cheap amplifiers that don't really work, and you'll never have to pay thousands again. the fda now allows us to bring true, high-quality hearing aids direct to you. through rca's hearing america program, you can get your choice of two, state-of-the-art, ultra-discrete hearing aids, listed at $1199.00, now

that is going to do it for me, i am charles coleman junior. it has been an honor and a pleasure to fill in for my friend ali velshi. ali, unfortunately tested positive for covid this morning, and my friend, we are wishing you a very speedy recovery. a special set out to his team for making today easier, and if you want more of me, you can find me on all of these socials and right here on msnbc, where i am an analyst. the names charles coleman junior, stay right where you are. inside with jen psaki is starting right now. starting right now >> an appeals court prepares to decide what donald trump can say about the federal case against him. as a republican party lets him say whatever he wants, no matter how dangerous it gets. i'll talk to congressman dan goldman about all of it, and how trump's violent language is trickling down to the halls of congress. plus a judge in colorado lets the former president stay on the ballot. but rules that he did incite the insurrection on january 6th. our law firm is here to tell us what that means, next. and the

thank you, charles coleman, appreciate that. >>> today we saw a rare bit of bipartisanship on capitoland democrats introducing legislation that could reform the way the immigration court system treats children. right now, that system has more than 60,000 pending cases that involve children who crossed the border without a parent. many of them have their right to stay in the u.s. without lawyers. let me look at that again. many of them have to defend their right to stay in the u.s. without lawyers. that makes sense. in courts meant for adults and in front of judges who sometimes don't understand their unique situation. to address that problem, a new bill introduced in the senate would create kids only courts. we're continuing to follow this story to see what happens there. >>> new efforts by former president donald trump and his legal team to delay his classified documents trial. but will the judge buy it? that's next. next. a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ right now

here with me is our legal analyst and former prosecutor charles coleman. walk us through don jr.'stimony yesterday and what we can expect from him today. >> reporter: he appeared relaxed yesterday, ana, sometimes even joking with the judge. at one point the judge asking him to slow down, and he said i moved to florida, but i kept a new york pace. he's been testifying yesterday and today, as you mentioned, that proceeding is underway and he and his brother eric arrived in tandem today. attorney general james in her usual seat in the front row of the gallery. he's been testifying to his role as executive vice president, his titles, his involvement with the company and specifically those statements of financial condition that contain his signature that the a.g.'s office alleges contain those over valuations. that is how the trump organization, the former president himself and his co-defendants, according to the a.g.'s office got favorable terms like lower interest rates because the bank thought they had more money than they did. and so yesterday we actually heard from a discouragemen

and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman., i think you look especially sharp tonight, some turning to you first. mike pence, a lot of what he described here, what we are learning, he also described in his book, which is public record. how is what he told these investigators any different? >> you know, it's not necessarily that what he said was incredibly different. investigators, they were talking to him, and they're making sure that when they put him on the witness stand, they knew exactly what he was gonna say and how is going to deliver information. and one of things that he does that is so important is the frames trump's final days in office as exceedingly reckless. he talks about how people were constantly telling him that he needed to accept his loss. and it comports with some of the information we've seen out of the justice department in recent days, including a recent filing where they talked about the way he handled the case. and they look at january 6th not as a one-time event, but as the culmination of trump's ongo

next a tuned, more news coming up with charles coleman junior, who is in for ali velshi. g, charles. >> good morning my friend, how are you feeling, katie? >> i am good. i wanted to ask your thoughts on what judge luttig just said about the responsibility of some lawyers, you are not being lawyers, when it comes to donald trump? >> katie, i have been wondering but i don't want to make this hyperbole, is the long right now being you as a weapon? is it weaponized in a way that our profession should be concerned? or, is this a matter of, this is what the system is supposed to do. this is how the law is supposed to be used in conjunction with quality and legislation? i have been wrestling with this for a very long time. there are a lot of people who feel like, look, this is not how the laws would be used. there are some lawyer to argue that this is exactly what the law is supposed to do. how are you supposed to wield it? i'm curious to hear your thoughts. >> i think that there is a perversion of justice that is happening. as i told judge luttig, i blame the lawyers. i think sh

charles coleman, once a prosecutor now civil defense attorney. both join me.art with you, lisa. there's a cross prior to don jr. that went pretty long. it was unclear whether he was gonna get on the stand. what happened? >> the cross-examination was of the sole expert that the attorney general offered. and that was the role was to discount the trump defense. tom keep saying no one lost anything. all his lenders got repaid. no one was not paid. it's a victimless crime. but michael mccarthy, who put the on is an expert, said had they've been truthful about the true state of affairs of the trump organization, no reasonable lender would have allowed trump to borrow at interest rates that he did. and if you corrected for that, they actually would have made tens of millions of dollars more on each of three different loans. there are three loans alone would have put more than 100 $50 million more in the pockets of lenders like deutsche bank and others. >> it's so wild to, because anyone who's watching this who has ever filled out a rental application in the city of n

." >>> let's bring in glenn kirschner and charles coleman jr. both are former federal prosecutors and msnbc legal analysts. glenn, i'll start with you. as much as i love this sort of kindle and roman thing they have going on when they go to trial here, it seems to me like i can't tell if this is a strategy or it's just eric trump doesn't know any better. do you think there is some sort of larger plan with the trump brothers where one is like, i'm going to play the jerk, and you're going to play the guy who is slightly more sophisticated? are they hoping that will change the penalties and fines they face, or are they just acting in their personalities? >> nobody will accuse these characters of being tactical geniuses, because what they should have done is plead the fifth and go home. listen, as you already pointed out, judge engoron has already ruled against trump and company on liability, and now the question is, how much will they have to disgorge, how much of the ill gotten gains they have courtesy of their fraud should they have to give back?

i'm charles coleman jr. ari will be back tomorrow. i want to give a special thanks to ari for letting me sit in the chair and his amazing team for allowing me this opportunity. "the reidout" with jason johnson is up next. right after this break. >>> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> mr. trump has repeatedly and consistently misrepresented and inflated the value of his assets. and before he takes the stand, i am certain that he will engage in name calling and taunts and race-baiting. and call this a witch hunt. but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters are the facts and the numbers. and numbers, my friends, don't lie. >> and attorney general tish james was right about trump, on the wednesday stand today in his civil fraud trial, trump was belligerent, showing his usual lack of respect for the rule of law and the people who administer it. also, tonight, how trump will be using this trial and his future trials as a campaign platform. >> plus, new reporting on what trump might do on day one if he returns to the white house, incl

charles coleman, thank you, renato mariotti, stay with me. >>> new reporting about what former president trump is planning to do with the doj if he gets reelected. we're back in 60 seconds. we're back in 60 seconds . >>> in just the last couple of minutes we watched as donald trump returned to the courtroom as what has been described as an incredibly tense day in his civil fraud trial. when asked by prosecutors whether he was involved in the preparation of key financial documents in 2021, trump's answer, no. i was dealing with china, russia and keeping our country safe. the new york attorney general's lead lawyer then reminded him he was not president in 2021. former federal prosecutor, renato mariotti, also elise jordan t former aide to the george w. bush white house and state department. renato, what do you make of that moment where the president didn't seem to know -- the former president didn't remember he was former president in 2021. >>> donald trump is undisciplined. he's all over the place. we talked in the last segment about some of his colorful answers. i think he's just wingin

joining us now is charles coleman. good to see you.ng for? >> jose, it's going to be interesting it see how donald trump's defense team is able to counteract the narrative presented by the attorney general's office. basically, what they have been trying to advance in front of the judge is the idea that, we didn't know anything about this. this is all on the experts. this is not something we had a direct hand in in terms of the missed evaluations. the prosecutors have done a very good job of trying to make those connections. i will be interested to see how through the use of their own witnesses, experts, and then potential actual witnesses, donald trump and his children as well, whether they are able to dispel the connections and disconnect them in a way that will shield them from further penalty. it's important to remember, they have already been found to be fraudulent because the judge made that determination. >> what do you think ivanka's testimony contributed to, one side or the other? >> that's a great question. i don't think it ne

i want to bring back carol leonnig and charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor and msnbc legal analystkingly high. you saw firsthand how that played out with trump. give us your impressions with him on the stand and remind us about the penalties, the stakes that are involved here. >> it's clear, case, this case has struck a nerve. we saw flashes of anger throughout the morning, pointing at the judge, yelling at the judge, calling the attorney general who brought this case as a political hack to her face these are things we've heard him say outside the courtroom so many times, but saying them on the witness stand, standing in that box was a very different experience, unlike anything i've ever seen in a courtroom. the judge also losing his temper. as you mentioned at one point, screaming at mr. trump's attorneys to sit down, essentially saying i don't want to hear it anymore, injecting while trump was testifying saying no, no, no, we've heard enough of that, calling his testimony rambling at certain points. it was very heated. at the end of the day, the whole point of bringing him on the

with me now msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor.orney, rutgers law professor, and former federal prosecutor. good to see you all. rocco, let me start with that. federal prosecutors could decide to retry brett hankin son. what will they take into consideration when they make that decision? >> they're going to take into consideration, chris, and i have been there, i have had a federal civil rights trial. they're going to look at a number of factors. obviously, what is the likelihood they could get a conviction out of their case, going in the last time. these are resources. there's a lot of time and money that goes into these, not to mention the emotion that goes in for the families on both sides of the equation. they're going to look at that and decide, do we think we can get a conviction the second time. is it worst the input or the squeeze, so to speak? >> as i said, no officer has been convicted for their actions in the death of breonna taylor. she had done absolutely nothing wrong. she ended up dead. should the fact that there has

joining us now is charles coleman and dave aronberg. charles, i'll start with you.rump organization on many levels. everyone's trying to surmise why donald trump, the former president, is so freaked out by this one of many trials he's dealing with. but it is sort of paralyzing the business, is it not? >> of course. i think one of the things you would need to understand is that even though the judge already ruled in favor of the state on summary judgment because the judge did not render a decision in terms of the penalty, there is a lot at take in terms of trump's future around the business dealings in the state of new york. ultimately the situation could very well result in the dissolution of his businesses right here in new york city. that's a big deal, because that's where a significant amount of his holdings come from. >> they're kind of nonfunctional now because of that looming. >> absolutely. >> hard getting loans. >> insurance, all sorts of things in terms of getting credit, being able to buy things, being able to hold assets. i would imagine we are going to s

"the beat" for charles coleman, in for ari, tgs wonderful to see you in the chair. have been watching this all day long, was this the donald trump that you expected to

joining us now, foreman litigator and msnbc analyst lisa rubin and analysis charles coleman.rump, it was for political purposes. for the attorney general, on the other hand, it was a very successful day in court. there's been a lot of discussion about how what remains of the case is just about damages. that's partially true. there are six more claims that need to be proven. all of them require proof of intent. if the attorney general can prove the defendants intended their years long fraud, the damages and remedies he awards will be all the larger. so proving that intent is critical for the attorney general, and they got that yesterday circumstantially by tying donald trump to the series of documents, including his statements of financial condition. i'm reading from the transcript. they say, is it correct you reviewed the statements of financial condition in each of the years from 2011 to 2017 before it became final? and he says, openly, yeah, i would look at them and i would maybe on occasion have some suggestions. that's the kind of moment that makes a prosecutor under the