so until that dispute can be managed we certainly need to embargo that airspace. >> charles duelfer, put your diplomat hat on for a moment. jim hall just talked about the international reverberations here. what do you see especially given that this was a touchy war zone in the first place, reverberating from this kind of accident, intentional attack. >> there is going to be some serious arguments about whether the russians are behaving responsibleably with ripp to their clients. particularly with respect to having them having ses to these types of weapons which outside of the command and control of an organized state, you get an airliner passing through airspace and they have no way of checking, is this a civilian aircraft or is it a friend or a foe. that normal structure doesn't exist. so i think a lot of the diplomatic argument will take place on that point. and again, i think the intel against surrounding this both from the united states, the ukraine, is going to be very interesting. i think if they do have tapes of communications, those are going to be very damning in a lot of wa