. >> nobody else, not chief justice, charles evan hughes had been a justice and ran for real estate but lost, so he would have been the other one had he won. >> rose: amazing and so how was roosevelt when he died. >> only 60 so he probably hurt himself when he went on that trip on the river of doubt and had fevers left in him but he wasn't feeling well the last month or so of his life but went back to sycamore hill and seemed to be getting better and that night he spent the whole day with edith and it was at their beloved home and he went to sleep and he had an embolism and died in his sleep, as the vice president of the time said death, this is is the only way he could have died, death had to take him sleeping or he would have put up a fight, so 60 years old, i mean, so young. >> rose: i have always heard, and maybe read as well that he, when he was in the badlands, he wasn't that great of a cowboy. >> right. >> rose: but he loved it and he wanted to do it and the idea of trying it was what was at his essence. >> that is -- you got it, he once said about himself, i am an ordinary man w