-- >> we are certainly zealous libertarians in the free market tears and i actually think that charles koch who is the figure of the koch brothers is a one-of-a-kind character and i'm sure there will be other big players but if you give him credit for being very much having put his imprints on this because of who he is. he's amazingly he thanks systematically like an engineer and he looked at the american political system and said 40 years thinking how do i take this thing over and how do i reengineer it to make it make this country the kind of extreme libertarian paradise that i believe in and so it's a lot of it is through what you were alluding to before. it's money spent not just on elections but elections are in some ways the least of it. it spent on the ideological assembly line with professors and studies that have come out with phony things the same global warming is not real and all kinds of political groups that seem to be citizen groups that are all paid for by astroturf groups. alec that is introducing bills all over at the legislative level. it's a system and a machine that the

the koch brothers, i'm lessed and lucky to work with charles and david koch. charles and dived are aligned ith the groups, as well, freedom partners and others. koch industries and freedom partners interested in reform? guest: we have a vision based on also on society of mutual benefit, where people succeed by helping others succeed. we look at different issue necessary our country and ociety and try to remove barriers to opportunity when we see them. so, for example, in the criminal huge e system, there are barriers to opportunity, for many americans, particularly the it creates aged, major poverty trap, for andrations of americans now it is unjust. we try to eliminate injustices criminal justice reform is of course, always rotecting and enhancing public safety. we want to again, make sure we rights ystem of equal and justice and make sure we with dignity and respect in the system, obviously people accused of crimes, it also includes law includes the d families of all of them. more just to have society and have more of a redechltive and restorative and sense o

charles: koch brothers on recidivism, they have a plan in place, they backed idea there are certain questions employers should be able to ask. these are guys on the right, billionaires you would normally not associate with this, but they know this is a good deal with the right people. >> we need to put more focus, today was a good news day to highlight these issues, two compelling cases about human beings. that judge coming forward, to have courage to say, i let him out, that president i hop he does something about this. matthew charles, that takes courage. he is taking a stand, and president has been remarkable on this issue. charles: before i let you go, media making fun it was the kim kardashian west. you know again, but yesterday when part of starbucks video it was lightning, picking and choosing who has wisdom, what is wrong with her being spokesperson? >> absolutely nothing, she proved herself to be a powerful businesswoman, she has a tremendous social media following, a lot of different business interests. good thing she is getting involved and choosing to make a difference, they shoul

appearing today on booktv you make any mention in your book "i know best" anything about david and charles koch and their views on things and libertarianism and so forth? >> host: what do you think of their viewed, keith? >> caller: um, i work for one of their companies for five years. and i don't particularly -- i'm not particularly in agreement with the way they see things. >> host: thank you, sir. >> guest: as i have said on the show already, and as our host has mentioned, too, i am libertarian. don't believe in any ideology completely because i think that's dangerous. you let hung by it. i think the koch brothers are very often misunderstood and it's interesting that they favor the gay marriage for a long time, and when i -- in liberal circles and they start attacking the koch brothers, say say to them they for gay marriage years and years before obama and there's a shocked look on their face and they don't believe me. i say go to google and look it up. >> host: mike is calling from north arlington, new jersey. good afternoon, mike. >> caller: good afternoon. my question has to do with poli

vatican library, he visited with vatican officials, were arranged by leonard leo, a group funded by charles koch these meetings are set with leo. and why is it that the guy from the nonprofit funded by the industry is arranging meetings for the epa administrator? even before the trip occurred, folks back at the agency were looking over the people that leonard leo and others had urged them to get together with. and noticed on the schedule the names. their job is to vet the people that the administrator is going to meet with. and the name cardinal pell shows up. someone is vetting it and says, wait a second, this guy is under investigation for potentially being involved in sexual abuse. so they advised pruitt's aides to cancel the get-together. they went ahead with it anyway. so it was a irregular from the start. >> so you have this -- there's an internal debate to proceed with the meeting with card until pell. you have people going back and forth on whether they should do it. and basically, they urge him to cancel. they have the dinner anyway. okay. we also know from the documents that they knew

the koch brothers, i'm lessed and lucky to work with charles and david koch. s and dived are aligned ith the groups, as well, freedom partners and others. koch industries and freedom partners interested in reform? guest: we have a vision based on also on society of mutual benefit, where people succeed by helping others succeed. we look at different issue necessary our country and ociety and try to remove barriers to opportunity when we see them. so, for example, in the criminal huge e system, there are barriers to opportunity, for many americans, particularly the it creates aged, major poverty trap, for andrations of americans now it is unjust. we try to eliminate injustices criminal justice reform is of course, always rotecting and enhancing public safety. we want to again, make sure we rights ystem of equal and justice and make sure we with dignity and respect in the system, obviously people accused of crimes, it also includes law includes the d families of all of them. more just to have society and have more of a redechltive and restorative and sense of crim

actually a couple points come recruits charles koch he records of journals from the "new york times" who still being paid by the new times to survive his staff which would be huge scandal today. he writes a letter to arthur sulzberger, publisher of the new times and asked him if he can borrow this correspondent to help him write reports and so you have this "new york times" correspondent coming on board. what also felt very familiar in watching the coverage of this is a lot of journalists getting kind of caught up in this sense of optimism and then disavowed it later and asking this question, like, how could anyone about that was possible? but when you read it content brings the counts whether it's a correspondent or of henry luce who created time magazine and became a key figure in the china lobby, at the time is writing marshall saying you're doing great work, thank you so much for what you managed to do. he would also show up in china and get these secret briefings from the nationalist and say to marshall, a kb this secret, secret plant and about to win. marshall says look, you're

koch brothers pouring a lot of money for it. what you make of this effort? >> it's a fantastic opportunity for the trump administration to show exactly what they are about and charlest step in if jared kushner and van jones and a lot of other people who were at the event today prove the trump administration wants to do prison reform and this is about compassionate reform along with giving individuals a second chance those who have committed a crime and done their time who want to be a contributor to society will have an opportunity. charles: why count on democratic support on this or will this be a robber stamp to resist? >> i have to commend you for shining a light on this continually and i have to agree with katrina. as the only democrat on the panel i am left on this but i have two reward the president for his leadership on this issue. like charles you said you had van jones at the white house. the united states makes a 4.4% of the rural population and yet we have 22% of the worlds people behind bars. that's wrong and i have to commend the president for they think you'll see democratic support for reasonable commonsense bipartisan solutions when it comes to crim

it's those climate denial champions, the koch brothers, to the tune of at least $87 million in funding. the test in trump town is whether harold hamm and charles and david koch are happy. and they are. polluters are free to pollute for free. and climate change gets scrubbed out of official communications. big spending polluters are happy, happy, happy. and that's why scott pruitt remains as e.p.a. administrator in the trump swamp. it doesn't have to be this way. the words of woodrow wilson are still true today about legislative oversight. he said, it is the proper duty of a representative body to look diligently into every affair of government and to talk much about what it sees. it is meant to be the eyes and the voice and to embody the wisdom and will of its constituents. well, our constituents, my constituents anyway, are not just the big polluters, like harold hamm and the koch brothers. the polluters may have billions to spend in politics, which they do, but they have very different interests than the millions of regular americans who look to e.p.a. to protect the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the climate we must inhabit. where