charl koch w charles koch was on the record likening that to nazi-style racism.etwork and he was right there in the white house as the legislative director, and they took away the crown jewel of their agenda, which was the tax cuts. so, surprise, surprise, now mark short is leaving. he's gone after the tax cuts have been enact, and i know personally from speaking with the kochs and the representatives that as early as january they started to become very uncomfortable. they started to pick up whiffs of the protectionism that was about to come with the tariffs and the trade wars and were very concerned about this. so they've been kind of in this position for several months. it is not surprising that they would come out at this point, that they are comparing this to kind of depression-era tariffs and trade protectionism. but i do think this is significant because, joe, so many sometimes we've sat in this chair and talked about what is .that it is going to take for the republicans to kind of stand up to trump. well, all along it has been who behind them. it has been

lou: why doesn't charl koch understand that? >> he does. but again, everybody comes into this with their own interests. charles koch wants to continue to make more money. when is enough enough. and i'm not saying there is enough. but they're looking at how is it that they can make their pockets even deeper. and unfortunately they're doing it on the backs of hardworking americans who want a safe and secure country, that want a country of -- lou: on the backs of every american because what they do, they change the character of the country, the culture of the country and the safety and sochty of this country. and by the way, just to keep it in context, when is enough enough? we're talking about $120 billion for the koch brothers. that's a pretty good net worth. perhaps not enough, as you applied. but that is for them to know and for the rest of us just to kind of guess about. brandon judd, great to have you with us. thanks so much. >> thank you very much. lou: up next, deadly wildfires unleashing havoc and intersection across northern californ

charles koch, the billionaire industrialist, has pointed out that there are fears u.s. trade and terror policy can undermine growth and trigger recession, but also admits it's impossible to know, because the trade policy remains so fluid, but does highlight some of the issues wall street has. meantime, this is how tariffs are playing out on the ground. bmw says two of its suvs made in the states will increase in price as of today. the x5 and s6, which are made in south carolina, will increase by 4% and 7%. and when it comes to mcdonald's, the company has announced it will issue its mac coin to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the big mac, so when you buy a big mac from lunchtime on thursday, you'll receive a mac coin. one guess as to what the coin is good for, another b diet. back to you in the studio. >> all right. mcdonald's giving away more big macs, thank you so much, karen. >>> still ahead, one woman changes hundreds of lives in her opioid addiction. plus, roof collapse caught on camera in india. that chaotic moment that left dozens injured. using wipes in, and sp

charles koch * put every american family on notice it's his way or no way.claring war against the american family. charles: the economic issue being used -- i said this friday was going to happen. soy beans weigh in on mid-term elections. if we could show this. this is how ridiculous mainstream rorkt is it's our largest export. period. it's $20 billion a year. that's $40 billion because it's half of everything the farmers grow is exported. the chinese are stealing $600 billion of intellectual property. you won't see those two numbers next to each other talking about china which is what started all this at all. it's a ridiculous proposition. third grade math would solve this for a lot of political reporters who need an education in basic numbers. the president is right. he's right as rain and he's the only person with the guts to take this issue on because koch brothers, the business round table, the chamber of commerce and wall street are perfectly willing to keep this country a debtor nation inperpetuity. whether we are talking about the trade department or

for libertarians like charles koch, enough's enough. heightcamp. they say they're more willing to strike out against trump's radical big spending policies. >> the koch brothers are at the center of a network of conservative money that's going to spend $4 million in the course of this midterms. they have been basically a partisan group for a long time. what charles koch said in these interviews around their big aspen-based yearly conclave this past weekend was "we made mistakes." >> right. >> it was a mistake for us to be purely partisan. we should be about our ideas and not about party because now our party's been hijacked by this president who's not really conservative. we're now going to change the direction of our spending and we're going to spend money on people who uphold conservative and libertarian principles. and we're going to try to punish those republicans who have capitulated to the president, particularly on issues like trade, that are not conservative or in line with their philosophy. it's a big, if they follow through on

over the weekend charles koch was lukewarm to the president's performance so far, and was critical of his trade policy. the koch network sent a statement out responding to all of this, that reads, quote, we support policies that help all people improve their lives. we look forward to working with anyone to do so. melissa, the koch network has worked closely with this white house on some issues like tax reform and prison reform. they clearly don't see eye-to-eye though as it relates to trade policy. the president calling out the kochs this morning on twitter. >> contentious times, blake, thank you. david: here now is art laffer, laffer associates chairman and former reagan economic advisor. i have to say i like the koch brothers for a long time. i think they're very smart people. i love their libertarian ideology. i agree with them in terms of fair trade and free trade, however, art, this may be one point that is minor point which we disagree, you look at these headlines i put up before. chinese economy starts to feel tariff impact. eurozone economy slows further as exports sputter. yo

and setting all of this no notion, in fact, two decade ago charles koch began with presumption that i quote we are greatly outnumbered. we are greatly outnumbered to win therefore he said his cause lymust overwhelm the other side with what he termed interrelated plays. so let me guide you -- to six key elementses of the radical rights over arching which link the link plays that we have been seeing in this country especially since 2009. first, market forces should alone determine social outcomes with no interference from government. government has only three legitimate roles for this cause. enforce the law, ensure social order, and defend us from foreign enemies. everything elseoc should in time be eliminated because it interferes with property rights, and economic liberty. second, any attempt by the people to use their numbers to modify markets as labor unions and government policies like minimum wages do is illegitimate and to gangsterism coke team believes that we should only have the right to act as individuals. not muster any collective counteravailing power to that of corporation

billionaire charles koch has said the greater the level of trade restrictions the greater the risk ofe economic fallout depends on the degree. it could any protectionism at any level is very detrimental. any nation that has prospered is one that didn't engage in trade wars. >> the president says he wants zero tariffs, zero trade barriers. what are the mechanisms to get there? that's where charles and the president disagree. the president wants to get to a point to have more access for american products overseas. >> sounds like charles koch is saying that the road he is taking will be so detrimental it's not work it. >> there's a lot of -- >> do you like the rode the president is taking? >> i think tariffs rise prices for american consumers but also believe the president is anxious to lower those tariffs across the board. >> here is what donald trump is saying about this this morning on twitter. i don't know if you read this yet but i'll read it for everybody. the globalist coke brothers who have become a total joke in real republican circles are against strong borders and powerful tra

the occasion not to amplify and hear the president's policies, but to decry them. 82-year-old charles koch has taken the reins of the network. he released this video in advance of the retreat. now he claims opportunities in the global marketplace are creating anxiety and the loss of jobs at home. >> in response, we are seeing the rise in protectionists, for countries, organizations, and individuals are trying to protect themselves from these changes. they are doing whatever they can to close themselves off from the new, hold onto the past, and prevent change. this is a natural tendency, but it's a destructive one. >> laura: destructive? let me tell you about instruction, sir. one can also make the argument that selling out american workers and offering up our industries in our marketplace for the gods of globalism is also pretty destructive. now the people who become billionaires by building and buying amazing companies, they are really smart guys, steel, lumber, nylon manufacturers. over the last 20 years, they have grown their wealth by focusing, in large part, on global operation. some

at that confab i was mentioning earlier in colorado, charles koch made a big deal about "uniting people who were previously divided." what does that p mean? how are these latest retaliatory efforts actually doing that? trump is the one uniting people for all the talk of divisiveness, trump enjoys an 88% approval rating among republicans, according to "the wall street journal," nbc poll.. only george w. bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 saw support likeke that. but the koch network and others talk a good game about unity embracing change, seizing opportunities. but when the president comes along who is actually embracing a new path, something different on behalf of the american people, let's try a new thing now, the kochs and the globalists just have their blinders on. they won't have any of it. a i had to laugh when, in a feature on the koch retreat, it said the following, "democrats who attacked the koch brothersin in recent years, controlled that, at least in the area of trump, the billionaire industrialist, are no longer the left's number one enemy." [laughs] yeah, that's funny

charles koch has voiced concerns that donald trump's actions on trade and tariffs put america's boomingconomy address a recession. protectionism at any level is very detrimental. at the same time, the u.s. treasury secretary says the country's well on the path for four or five years of sustained annual growth of 3%. rosy outlook is at odds with many economists and the fed. >> we are well on this path for several years. i don't think this is a one or two-year phenomenon. we definitely are in a period of four or 5% -- for a five years of sustained 3% growth at least. trump is againd floated the idea of shutting down the federal government if he doesn't get his way on immigration at his border wall. he tweeted he is willing to bring washington to a halt if democrats failed to support legislation on border security. senior republicans say they doubt a shutdown will happen and action on the border wall can wait after the -- until that made -- until after the midterm elections. a exitope of striking deal outside the u.k. saystalian prime minister their country will back the u.k. in an intervi

charles koch fwagave a rare on record interview and said he regrets backing some of the republicans whoen't espoused the policies they promised the kochs they would. and there's -- it's about tone and it's about their policies. they're not happy with the tariffs. they're not happy with government spending. they're not happy with the family separation of the border, the lack of a daca deal. all these things have reallying a gaited the koch network and the elected -- the top brass of this network. they say that this is a warning shot to republicans that you need to get on board or we're not going to support you. >> so when these officials are describing these koch officials, the president and the administration is toxic as destructive, what was the reaction in the room? what was your take away about -- is this all about taking down the president? was this about something else? >> yeah. it's interesting. i think this is a warning shot to republicans and to the president to say look, these are not traditional republican and conservative ideology that we support. the reaction in the room, we

in setting this emotion charles koch began with the presumption that we are greatly outnumbered. we are greatly outnumbered, to win the cosmos overwhelmed the other side with what he termed interrelated play. so let me guide to to the elements of the radical elements which link these plays which we are seen in this country since 2009, first, market forces should determine social outcome with no interference from government. government has only three legitimate roles, enforce the law, ensure social order and defend us from social enemies. everything else should be eliminated because it interferes with property rights and economic liberty. second, any attempt by the people to use their numbers to modify markets like government policies like minimum wages to his illegitimate. the coke team believes we should only have the right to act as individuals. as americans have been accustomed to doing for generations. free speech is not the end goal of the janus case, that goal is breaking down the collective power to black implementation like private an education, socil security, medicare,

because charles and david koch and koch brothers now, because david's retired, but charles has come out and explained, you know, they're basically libertarian economic thinkers. they don't focus much on the social issues. they have a network of organizations that really educate voters about their policies and free market and charles has this really interesting idea. because as technology causes disruption of course in economies, uber's a great example of that, it causes did i rup disruption in our politics too. we're in this tumultuous time of we don't know the future of automation. wages have often been stagnant. people say because there's so much automation coming into -- >> yes. >> we're in that period. and david and charles koch have always said we always end up in a better place. we need a leader to articulate that better place from washington. and trump represents sort of a retro view. he talks about coal and coal jobs and manufacturing. even his own real estate business is hugely disrupted by technology because people don't occupy -- >> traditional hotels. >> they can work almost

the context is the koch brothers and -- just charles koch now is the leader of the koch network. policy work and other work. they had their meeting in colorado springs over the weekend. and one of the top koch officials, brian hooks, was very critical, said that the white house and divisiveness that it is creating will do long term damage. and they also said that they were frustrated with republicans who have followed the president's lead on issues like trade and immigration and that they were going to hold those republicans accountable by potentially not supporting them in crucial election as. >> isn't there is a preliminary risk for the president to attack the koch network likeas. >> isn't there is a preliminary risk for the president to attack the koch network lis. >> isn't there is a preliminary risk for the president to attack the koch network like this so brutally? >> in one sense, no, because the kochs have never really liked donald trump, donald trump never really liked the kochs. they didn't support him in the presidential election. so no bridges left to be burnt. but th

very interesting comment on this afternoon from charles koch, the billionaire republican donor, having a big conference in colorado. he basically said it is possible protectionist trade policies could ultimately kick the u.s. into recession. he doesn't know when and how severe. basically says the prosperous nations don't engage in trade wars. that is a huge headwind that lots of economists see. being acknowledged by members of the trump administration at this point. ramy: it wasn't just mr. mnuchin making the rounds. larry kudlow, the national economic council director said trump should not be blamed for the damage. >> people say, president trump's tariffs are damaging this, that and the other thing. i say don't blame president trump. he inherited a completely broken world trading system including a world trade organization, most particularly china but not always china. ramy: who agrees? manyi don't think too agree with everything larry kudlow said. there are many people who there is resignation -- there is recognition with the world trading system and things could even manyut business

meanwhile, billionaire charles koch wanted against protectionism saying this protectionist mindset has destroyed countless businesses. a big force in the republican party. tracee: american airline jets are back in the sky after a computer glitch nationwide. the faa said the outage was centered around the airplane operating system. about 900 american flights were delayed yesterday. no word on how many of those were due to the outage, but they weren't alone. they separate out adjusted briefly delaying flights. regionally for america and delta come united in alaska airlines. officials say operations are now back to normal. cheryl: a good weekend for tom cruise climbing to the top of the weekend box office with mission impossible fallout. >> a terrible choice to make in berlin. one life over millions. >> this is the cia mission. if he had held onto the plutonium we wouldn't be having this conversation. cheryl: mission impossible raking in $61 million come easily taking the number one spot and is the sixth installment of the franchise. mamma mia came in second with $15 million in the equali

hasn the u.s., charles koch voiced concern that donald trump's action on trade and tariffs puts america'sconomy at risk of recession. he says protectionism is dangerous. the u.s. treasury secretary said the u.s. is on the path for four or five years of sustained growth. thatview is at odds with of many economists. >> i think we are well on this path for several years. i don't think this is a one or two year phenomenon. i think we are in a period of four or five years of sustained growth. >> donald trump has again floated the idea of shutting down the federal government if he does not get his way on immigration and the border wall. he said he is willing to halt.ashin bring washington toa actionrepublicans said on immigration and the border wall can wait until after the midterm elections. fresh hope of striking a trade deal outside the u.k. the time prime minister said his u.k. --nt will back the the italian prime minister said his government will back the u.k. global news 24 hours a day, on air and @tictoc on twitter, powered by more than 2700 journalists and analysts in more than 120 coun

then look at charles koch.ing muscle behind her as the democrat thinking senator heitkamp for voting against banking regulations they didn't like. and now the group says they won't help the republicans unseat her. it is something different. saying he is actually speaking out about all this beyond parties. quote, i don't care what initials are after her name. i would like there to be many more politicians who have the dournlg run on a platform like this. for more on exactly what this conservative funder is doing, we go to someone who has been covering this latest koch network summit. i am joined by political reporter with nbc news. so nice to have you tonight. >> great to see you. when you look at this unusual move, does it reflect heitkamp and certain democrats getting closer to the kochs? or them taking a step away from the republican party? >> i think it is the latter. them taking a step away from the trump republican party and that's because the kochs, which are libertarian in their back ground, they think t

officials with the political network over seen by billionaire charles koch announced they will not supportmp for north dakota's seat this november. the move comes as it says it could support those outside of the republican party. it deals a massive blow to kramer who is currently being out fund raised by heitkamp. kramer said he respected the koch decision to stay out of the north dakota senate race. >>> staying in politics, president trump is renewing his threat to shut down the federal government over immigration and border funding. he tweeted the threat sunday and repeated it yesterday while speaking in a conference along italy aprime minister. take a listen. >> if we don't get border security after many, many years of talk within the united states, i would have no problem doing a shutdown. it is time we had proper border security. we're the laughing stock of the world. we have the worst immigration laws anywhere in the world. i would be certainly willing to consider a shutdown if we don't get proper border security. >> okay. but a number of senate republicans, they are distancing thems

the way charles koch and david koch look at the world, it's about fundamental liberty, and are moving barriers to opportunity so we can have a society where the external barriers, whether it is a criminal justice system that is way too much, over criminalization, the number of laws we have, the long sentence is not based on data but just based on fear we are looking at all of those things with data-driven practices. and for us at koch is about helping people improve their lives, and it has been a major impediment to a lot of people in this country. we have 2 million people are so in prison today, they all have criminal records, we treat people who have been incarcerated with such stigma and make them second-class citizens. it is not healthy. it is not right. and we are losing a lot of competitiveness abroad as well. there is a huge scale gap in this country for skilled labor for companies like ours. and now you're seeing a lot of train people so that they can come out better. and the bottom line, at the end of the day, the criminal justice system is designed to keep people and communi

koch brothers a little bit. let's take a closer look at exactly who they are. charles inherited the second largest american company from their father in 1967. today, charles is at the helm. david stepped down in june, cited health problems. the two are worth an estimated $120 billion, according to forbes. the brothers organized their own political network back in 2000 threne, an assembly of libertarians, libertarian leaning people, rich business people, advocacy groups. each has agreed to contribute at least $100,000 annually to koch linked groups. now, this network has shaped elections for years. even being called more powerful than the republican national committee. in 2012, it spent $122 million on elections. in 2014, it was up to $129 million. and by 2016, the presidential election, an estimated $250 million. and it's upping the ante for the 2018 election cycle. pledging to shell out $400 million on politics and policy. it's already spent $20 million promoting the gop tax cut plan. who gets all this money? well, republican lawmakers, super pacs, community groups, c

billionaire charles koch's political network, which historically backs republicans coming out in forcest president donald trump and complicating matters for republicans facing tough races in the mid terms. whaup of the koch noish's top officials saying over the weekend, the divisiveness of this white house is causing long term damage. trump hitting back at the kochs tweeting early tuesday, the globalist koch brothers who have become a total joke in real republican circles are against strong borders and powerful trade. i never sought their support because i don't need their money or bad ideas. the president picking a fight with its network of donors, which has pledged to invest more money in this midterm election cycle than ever before. up to $400 million. >> kevin, come out. >> reporter: the koch political machine making it clear it won't help congressman kevin kramer for now. the republican vying to unseat democratic senator heidi heitkamp in north dakota. one big reason? kramer voted for the $1.3 billion spend bill earlier this year. since 2010 the koch's have spent heavily on candid

wow, i want to put up this quote from brian hooks, president of the charles koch foundation.his white house is causing long-term damage. when in order to win on an issue someone else has to lose, it makes it very difficult to unite and solve the problems of this country. there was even some hints among some at the koch network meeting that, you know what, maybe this partisan strategy isn't working. >> the kochs are greatly opposed to the tariffs as well as to some elements of more hawkish foreign policy that donald trump embraces so it doesn't surprise me there would be a lot of criticism at this meeting. this argument about where libertarians fit in, where do social conservatives fit in, where do moderate suburban republicans. the backbone of the george w. bush coalition, right, are they even still republicans? these are all questions that are going to be sorted out in the next two years. >> yes, and in the two years beyond that. this is all evolving. >> we'll see how it plays out, as if trump plays the culture war card. >> i don't know if the young people will come out, the

u.s., charles koch has voiced concerns that donald trump's actions on trade and tariffs puts america'ssk of recession. protectionism at any level is very detrimental. at the same time, the u.s. treasury secretary says the fortry is "well on the path four or five years of sustained annual growth of 3%." with many odds economists, including the fed. >> i think we are well on this path for several years. i don't think this is a one or two-year phenomenon. ofdefinitely are in a period 4% or 5% -- for a five years of sustained 3% growth at least. juliet: donald trump has again floated the idea of sitting down the federal government if you does not get his way on immigration and his border wall. he tweeted he is willing to bring washington to a halt if the democrats fail to approve legislation on border security. action on the border wall can wait, democrats say, until after the election. britain's prime and's or given a prime minister- has been given a fresh hope of striking a deal. his countryni says will back the u.k. and accuses swindlingan union of u.k. voters. in greece, officials have

from a koch perspective, the way charles and david koch look at the world, what i was saying, it's fundamental liberty and also about giving people a chance at removing the barriers to opportunity so we can have a society where the external barriers, whether it's a criminal justice system that does way too much, that doesn't need to do what it's doing too much. the overcriminalization, the number of laws we have. the long sentences for people not based on data, but based on fear. and all of it looking with data and different practices and for us, it's all about trying to help people improve their lives, and this is a major impediment to a lot of people in this country. we've got what maybe 2 million people or so in prison today and a lot of people with criminal records. we treat people who have been in prison and incarcerated with such stigma, and made them second class citizens. it's not healthy, it's not right and we're losing a lot much competitiveness as well. and when there's a huge skill gap in this country for skilled labor, for companies like ours, and now you're seeing a lot of prison

over the weekend about 50heor s charles koch who leads the political organization slammed mr. . koch reportedly also said he would back democrats if they aligned with his values. koch officials have said they plan to spend between 300 and $400 million on the upcoming mid-term elections. >>> nba superstar lebron james is speaking out against president trump saying he believes that the president uses sports to divide people. yesterday james opened the i promise school for at risk kids in ohio. he called the school the greatest accomplishment. he pushed back against criticism for being vocal about issues facing our country and james said he had to address other issues and accuse of president ha n oplithe the t last few months, that he's kind of used sport to divide us and that's something i can't relate to because i know that sport was the first time i ever was around someone white. you know, i got an opportunity to see them and learn about them and they got an opportunity to learn about me and we became very good friends. i was like, wow, this is all because of sports. >> in the

a different trait on the economy from charles koch of the koch brothers. saying that some of their sharpest criticism of the administration, leaders of the influential political network associated with charles koch slammed the president on saturday, calling at protectionism that hurts american businesses and consumers, saying this white house is causing long-term damage. in order to win on an issue -- when in order to win on an issue someone else has to lose, it makes it difficult to unite people to solve the problems of this country. to leave the idea of tariffs into this conversation on the state of the economy. taxes, which several people have far up -- brought up. (202) 748-8000. if you set a president does deserve credit for the strong economy. (202) 748-8001. if you say no. next from texas, david. good morning. caller: good morning. withtainly agree everything our president is doing. as a small business owner i have seen a great help in his tax cuts. the 21%. i agree with everything he does. what kind of business do you own and what have you seen cha

so with charles and david koch, it is fun dadamental liberty an giving people a chance to remove the barriers to opportunity so that we can have a society to where the external barriers whether it is a criminal justice system that does way too much that doesn't need to do so much, and the overcriminalization, and the number of laws that we have , and the long sentences for the people not based on the data but fear, and looking at it with the data-driven practice, and for us at koch, it is about helping people to improve their lives. it is a major impediment to a lot of people in the country. we have less than 2 million people in prison and with all of the people with the criminal records, we treat the people in prison and incarcerated with such stigma and made them second-class citizens and it is not healthy and not right, and we are losing a lot of the competitiveness as well. when there is a huge skill gap in the country for skilled labor for companies like our, and you are starting to see the people trained on that so they come out better, and for us, it is one way to make it a be

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charles koch asked if he's okay with the democratically controlled house said, "i don't care what initialsies in the face of everything the kochs have said for years they're in favor of. >> not just donald trump. honestly, paul ryan signed that spending bill. >> he also pushed the tax cuts through. >> yeah. those are both, like, incredibly deficit-adding pieces of legislation. i don't believe the koch brothers will start spending on democrats. i know they've come out and did a little bit of spending for heidi heitkamp, dabble in criminal justice reform that brings democrats into the fold. i'll wait and see before i start looking. i can't believe they're going to spend a significant amount of democrats. >> what the koch brothers are doing, they play long game so when they go into criminal justice reform, they realize they can siphon off african-americans. they're now going deep into immigration and building into community-based modeling similar to what the evangelical movement has done in the latino community. he recognizes they don't need all these viewers, they need to siphon off. it's ba

today he's lashing out at libertarians turned conservative king makers charles and david koch.et, he slammed the billionaire brothers as globalists and a total joke in real republican circles opposed to strong borders and powerful trade. he says he doesn't need the kochs' money or bad ideas. the attack comes after the president was criticized at the koch summer network meeting. there was talk there the mega donor brothers are turning their backs on republican candidates, as well might even support democrats. now, this matters not just for this drama we're talking about but the huge divide it represents within the gop between ardent trump supporters who see the president and his populist policies as the future and the traditionalists. >> we've seen some great success. tax reform. we've seen justices. we've seen va reform. i could go on and on. but we've also seen tremendous setback. those setbacks are significant. a $1.3 trillion spending bill. then we see families being separated at the border. we want to make it clear that building policy coalitions as we move forward, we thin

stuart: president trump, is he going after billionaire conservatives charles and david koch on twitterlobalist koch brothers who have become a total joke in real republican circles are against strong borders and powerful trade. i never sought their support because i don't need their money or bad ideas. they love my tax an regulation cuts, judicial picks and more. i made them richer. their network is highly overrated. i have beaten them at every turn. well, how about that from the president. he also called the brothers two nice guys with bad ideas. mark lauter, former press secretary of mike pence. i wasn't expecting a full-blown attack on the koch brothers from the president. were you? >> the president speaks his mind. he would stand up to long-time megadonors and influencers like the koch brothers, when he believes it is right thing to do. he will do the right thing for american workers and that's what we're seeing him do in real life. stuart: i have a headline from "the wall street journal," marc. trump agrees to delay fight over funding until after the midterms. he is backing down o

charles: it really does. also, he sent off to the degree the koch brothers.eeting about them saying - you were at their last gathering. >> yeah, and colorado springs this weekend. first of all, what the koch brothers do with helping communities is largely unreported and a great thing for this country. i think trump is stylistically i would not of said what he said but it is right in terms of governing is much harder than being on the outside during lots of people that during lots of people their time together. while the koch brothers have a good libertarian streak and there's a lot of good in their platform with trying to do i think trump is gone enormously difficult task trying to govern them of the economy forward. i think that it's completed. charles: everyone talks their book and is the coke brother book cheap labor or cheap raw materials that come in from other countries and poor borders and if that is they will certainly be out of tune with president trump in his voters because it feels like they threw down the gauntlet to republican specifically saying