you're seeing charles koch right up ads. seeing a lot of advertisements on twitter and television about the positive side of koch industries. and i think that's just great. they should get that story out there. it's an important story. my job is an independent reporter, is to show the good and the bad. the consequences of their actions that have been negative, and the parts of the institution that are admirable and i think should be studied by people in politics or business. again, i think our country is in desperately short supply of long-term strategic thinking. this is a case study of long-term strategic thinking and that's beneficial for anybody to read. >> i refer represented bill mahers comments, talking about this visit vitriol, and a good passengers of the american public shays that viewpoint. as you look at the koch brothers, billionaires, working the oil industry, trying to influence elects. those three factors aren't going to make any american popular group think those are the main contribute factors to the fact th

when charles koch goes to the great oil well in the sky. [laughter] >> so what happens when he steps away quick. >> chapter 22 the education of chase koch is his son born 1977 they said welcome current prints when he was born. he has been given a fascinating education. that is a remarkably levelheaded guy who has forced his own way. we will see an interim ceo after he steps away i think eventually chase will run it but in the future how much of this explosive growth was attributable to the individual? and that's to what he wants to point to which is the corporate culture. only time will answer the question. >> to say that this is dÉjÀ vu all over again. >> the whole conversation is reminiscent of john d rockefeller and william rockefeller the history a standard oil company and also to carry the burden of wealth of the standard oil company but what you converse today that the parallels are unprecedented so my question to you is have you ever researched the gilded age of the robber barons carnegie and rockefeller and so forth cracks are we go

of those groups, but you wouldn't necessarily know that group had anything to do with david or charles koch. >> because a lot of groups have these very bland names, america future fund or americans for job security. who is that really? what you would realize if you go through the paperwork, it was like a daisy chain of money. and if you were able to trace it back, a lot of it would come from this group of 400 of the richest, most conservative people in the country who work with the cokes and funded it. >> the may the koch rebranded with a new name, stand together. and in this incarnation, it says it's open to supporting democrats who are pro dreamers and antiteric. who matter what the name and reported orientation, it is sure to remain a potent political force. >> after dozens of phone call, i'm basically striking out. >> okay. it's a no. okay, thanks. bye. so far it's not going so good. the reason so many members of congress probably don't want to talk about this is because money equals power in politics. and to bite the hand that feeds you is probably not a good proposition to the people

previously she held positions with the charles koch institute and the lancaster nebraska public defender's office. she received or bachelor of science in criminal justice and her jd from the university of nebraska. diana muller is the founder of the grass roots initiative to bring one woman from every state to washington, dc to meet with legislators on behalf of gun owners. she is also the cohost of shooting gallery on the outdoor channel. previously she served for 22 years in the tulsa police department. she received a bachelor of science in criminal justice and psychology from the university of central missouri. david chipman is a senior policy advisor at gibbons law center and is a member of the firearms committee of the international association of chiefs of police. prior to assuming his current positions he served for 25 years , as a special agent for the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. mr. chipman received his b.a. from american university and his masters in management from johns hopkins university. we welcome all our distinguished witnesses, and we thank them fo

charles: sure. >> i think the koch people are awakening to the idea that is it what we're fighting fors open and free market. charles: we'll see. chris, liz, thank you both very much as usual. president trump also taking iran to task after announcing sanctions on that country's national bank. >> iran could be a great country. it could be a rich country but they are choosing to go a different way. there will be a point at which they will be very sorry for that choice but i think i'm showing great restraint. charles: so will these new sanctions see any change in behavior from iran going forward? joining me to discuss, arizona republican congressman andy biggs. congressman biggs, they have been getting squeezed, everyone acknowledges that these financial sanctions have taken a huge bite. conversely they have also pushed them towards acting so provocatively you have got to wonder what the next thing could be up their sleeve? >> well iran has not really performed, what we would expect rationally when you get the sanctions put on you. we would have expected them t come around a little bit, m

charles: president trump is trying to shake off abuses for decades. big business pushes back on the president. i'm worried, business roundtable if you have a different mission or the kochwork or any of these large entities, you know, why don't they ever seem to care about a million muslims in china being persecuted over their religion? at this time bettance being persecuted over their religion? how can they overlook that while they ban plastic straws? >> exactly. it's a double standard. if we want to save humanity it starts by saving ourself from each other. how we are inclusive in places to work this was not about the christians or jewish community or islam, but everybody under the same roof. we need to band together to protect the most fundamental life working out convictions in in business and everywhere. charles: this was great launching. obviously the world watching. president himself delivering the message. where do you think it goes from here? >> the secretary-general explained two action steps at the world stage level of the u.n., there's a strategy against any hate, any hate speech, any hateful activities around the world which we've seen now even, shootings a