charles manson. >> you don't understand me. that is your trouble. it's not my fault because you don't understand me. i don't understand either. >> the story of charles manson, and all the horror they, roth is buried in archives. memorialized in media, long obsolete. yet, somehow, it feels present. that hot summer night that caught the world unprepared when los angeles became, suddenly, a very scary place. . it was august 9th, 1969, around 8 am. officer jerry derosa was a young cop with the lapd working the day shift. >> the first call i got was to go to -- it turned out a drunk in a car. >> august for sir rosa cruised up the canyon and found the dead and street called c on a drive. a neighbor flagged him down, and suddenly the drunk in a car called became something else. >> he told me that the maid came running back out, yelling blood and bodies. >> derosa, all alone, nosed's squad car up the gated driveway. he could see right away that things weren't right. >> the telephone wires that had been cut or

. ♪ >> in california, five members of a so-called religious cult, including charles manson, the guru,en people brutally murdered in the glare of hollywood publicity. the involvement of a mystical hippie clan which despised the straight affluent society. young girls reportedly under the spell of a bearded svengali. who allegedly masterminded the seven murders. good morning...the sun's shining this morning. it is.hining this morning. >> charles manson cleverly masqueraded behind the common image of being a hippie, goes up to haight ashbury district, surrounds himself with a young bunch of followers. their lifestyle was sex, orgies and lsd trips. eventually he gets them to commit mass murder for him. >> with blood, the killer had scrawled on a refrigerator door the words death to pigs. >> you see, prior to these murders, no one associated hippies with violence and murder. people would pick up a hitchhiking hippie. there was no big deal. but after the manson murders, you saw a hippie with long hair hitchhiking, and the image of manson would enter the driver's mind and they would drive rig

you're going to say they did what was right but at least you know why they did things and how. >> charles manson, jim jones, david karesh not very good childhoods. >> no but it's also true for children with much worse childhoods don't grow up to proclaim themselves profits and prophets andlead people to thei. manson didn't want my book to come out when he found i traced his sister and cousin and would be able to write about his somewhat pampered childhood. jim jones had in all the childhood but was always loved. vernon wayne howell was born to a 14-year-old girl and was raised with a lot of uncles and stepdad's but never wanted for food or attention. we can understand when people have problems why they wouldn't understand but it was also inevitable that they became what they became. >> how many children of david's survived and why so many? >> david's children, most of them died in the final fire. that was deliberate on his part. all told, he fathered 23 children by just about a dozen women. he said that the bible quoted that the lamb shall spread his seed. so the lamb of revelation can't be jesu

have to do or else we will repeat this again. >> in her next book manson, the life and times of charles manson, what is your goal without book is so much written about him and this didn't come out until 2013? >> charlie manson in his lifetime was always the wrong man in the right place at the right time. if he had committed the crimes he was originally. jailed for ad i think he was the most incompetent in the history of american prostitution. as a smalltime carthy. if charlie had been jailed in nebraska let's say and he said we had reappeared in downtown omaha, claiming to be a profit and handing out drugs to addle kids who are looking for someone to tell them what to do, locals would have stuck them on a pitchfork and put them out in the field as a scarecrow but just in the time in american inlife where california was whee everybody down in america was looking for inspiration. i was in college in austin, texas and all i could think of was why can't i be in san francisco or los angeles where the culture is great, the music is wonderful and the philosophy is there? manson gets out a prison and

peter: in your next book "manson: the life and times of charles manson". what was your goal with that book? so much has been written about him and this did not come out until 2013. jeff: charlie manson in his lifetime was always the wrong man in the right place at the right time. if he had committed the crimes he was originally jailed for, eyes and he most incompetent temp -- i think he was the most incompetent pimp in the history of american prostitution and an incompetent car thief. if he had been jailed in nebraska and appeared in downtown omaha claiming to be a prophet and handing out drugs to adult kids looking for somebody to tell them what to do, the locals would have stuck him on a pitchfork and put him in a field as a scarecrow. but just in the time in american life or california was where everybody on in america was looking for inspiration. i was in college at austin, texas. all i think why can't i be in san francisco or los angeles where the culture is great, the music is wonderful, the philosophy is there? manson gets out of prison. he ends up i

host: d tell us vin jeff guinn, what do bonnie and clyde, wyatt earp, jim jones, david karesh, charles manson have in common, people that you written about? is there a similar, is there a thread through that? >> guest: oddly enough there is. my goal is always been to write books that capture the suite of american history from the final assembly of the west to the present day. in each of the subjects are iconic. we remember them. people tend remember them in different ways, and a lot of the time they want myth rather than factor i always thought the facts are far more interesting than anything could be made of. when i pick a subject complex use manson as an example, what i wanted to do is write about the late 1960s in america, which in terms of a chaotic time makes today look peaceful when we are all living in unison. to write about that era you need someone or something from that era that will make readers want to pick up the book and open it. for better or worse, charlie manson represented a lot about the late 1960s, the culture at the time, the things people wanted to talk about, the things

uncle: you cannot run in los angeles at night, this is the city of charles manson and harvey weinstein you're watching, there are these little pressure release valves that go off... and you see that playout throughout the history of the sitcom. patrick gomez: at first thought, you may imagine, 1940s, 50s sitcoms as being very white suburbia. bambi haggins: but there were a lot of shows about immigrants becoming a part of the american dream. jim colucci: life with luigi, about an italian family. i remember mama, about a norwegian family. sheryl lee ralph: the goldbergs was about a jewish family in this jewish ghetto. mom: yoo hoo! jim colucci: those shows certainly mirrors what americans were trying to accomplish in the 50s for good or for bad, which was assimilation, and then later when immigrant characters would pop up in comedies, it would often be for comedic effect. tony: hey latka, tell me something, how come i never understand a single word you say, and i always know what you're talking about. judd hirsch: i think everybody thought that andy kaufman was nuts. latka: oh [unintelli

charles manson. >> jimmy: i see, "man's son."don't know what's going to happen. >> jimmy: is that how your dad would have handled it? >> no, my father never spoke to me. [ laughter ] he knew i had a job, i went to school -- >> jimmy: was that true? was he not supportive of -- >> he had me when he was 18. so he was busy trying to -- >> jimmy: grow up. >> put food on the table, yeah. >> jimmy: yeah, yeah, right. we've wandered into some uncomfortable territory. [ laughter ] >> it's okay, he's gone now. >> jimmy: otherwise, how's everything going? still divorced? >> yeah. [ laughter ] funny story. i am. very happily divorced. but i was recently doing a film in puerto rico. and the actress dropped out. and i called my ex-wife. >> jimmy: and what? >> and i said, "hey, there's a role, there's a bunch of dough, come down for two days, let's hang out, you'll be in the movie with me, you'll get paid a lot of money." she came to puerto rico, we had a great time. i think i might get remarried. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] hey, why n

charles manson? >> he's not crazy. he's very smart. >> stephen: uh, cruella de vil? >> i like her.espect her. >> oj simpson. >> he's totally innocent. >> okay, last one. last one. hold on. oh, oh, last one, the man you see in the mirror every morning. >> i mean, he's a felon. [cheers and applause] >> stephen: checks out. that checks out. here's the thing, fox desperately needs all the ratings grabbers they can get because dominion voting systems is suing fox for $1.6 billion, arguing that fox knew the damaging things they aired about dominion and the 2020 election were lies, but they said them anyway because money. and dominion has proof that fox knew that if they told the truth and exposed the former president's lies, they'd alienate their co-dependent viewers. in fact, in one leaked document, dominion showed that after a reporter fact-checked the former president's obvious lies on air, the ceo of fox news freaked out, and sent an email saying, "this has to stop now. the audience is furious. it's bad for business." yes, telling your customers the truth is terrible for business. th

. >> charles manson stole loves. >> grief like you couldn't imagine.

around killing people with charles manson.out of all the people in the prison, she picked squeaky fromme because she still wanted the attention and she still got the attention . and people are still able to write them in jail. but i know you don't have capital punishment in great britain. we have capital punishment in some states in the federal government, we have capital punishment. but it's not a life that any of us would want. but i understand . and how the families understand. and how the families feel. you know, i often ask myself if i if somebody in my family was a victim of this, would i want them to be executed or not? i don't know. i would i'm really not sure . but no, to i'm really not sure. but no, to answer your question , life is answer your question, life is not going to be fun . not going to be fun. >> well, you're a fascinating man to listen to. bruce sackman and bruce is a former investigator and his book is behind the murder curtain, true medical crime stories. thank you very much indeed for your time this mo