look across the square, the boston public library by charles mckim, trained this paris. -- in paris. and very similar in many ways to the bibliotech -- [inaudible] which is in paris. and he said so. they were taking, you used the word earlier, "inspiration." inspiration from paris. and again and again, brian, they all wrote they wanted to bring something home to make things better here. they wanted, they were doing something they felt was a service to their country, not just to their own ambitions. c-span: you did not, have not mentioned george healey, and i'm going to put up here on our screen the painting that you write about, "webster's reply to herman cain." >> guest: yes. george healey is, to me, a great american story. george healey was an irish boy, grew up in the streets of boston, no money, no education but talent to paint and draw. and he was told, you're good. you could go to to all the way with this talent. but he knew he had to go train with somebody. there was nobody to train with, no art school. so without any money except what he'd been able to save, no knowledge of f