remember charles mcmillin? well, the defendant explained his actions. he explained the basis of his actions to charles mcmillin. you recall that. here's what he said. >> yeah, and i tried to get in the car. >> he's probably on something. >> that was his justification for using this level of force. he's a big guy. he's a sizeable guy. he might be on something. we have to control him. control is the restraint so that's the force. his two justifications were that george floyd was big and that he might be on something. well, you know the standards. you've heard the standards many times. you know the difference between a risk and a threat. officers are authorized to use force to respond to a threat. they're not authorized to use force to respond to a risk. anybody poses a potential risk, big, small, in between. everybody is a risk. not everybody is a threat. being large, the act of being large, it's not a crime. it's not a risk. sorry -- it's not a threat. it's merely a risk. being on something. being on something, it's not a threat. it may be a risk, but it

charles mcmillin joins us for an exclusive interview and he is joined by his attorney, will walker. we welcome you both. we all remember you very well. you were standing on the sidelines and you were walking there with your shower shoes watching what was unfolding, and i was wondering, did you know george floyd? >> no, ma'am, i didn't. >> you didn't know him. >> no, ma'am. >> what was your reaction yesterday when you got the news about the verdict? >> i didn't have a reaction yesterday -- >> you didn't? >> no, ma'am. i didn't have one because i knew they had to charge him yesterday. if they hadn't charged him we wouldn't be sitting here because of the crime. it wasn't a shock to me. >> did you think that he would be convicted on all three counts? >> no. >> so were you surprised when you heard? >> yes. >> you were surprised. >> yes, ma'am. that's what i want to know. when you heard what the verdict was that he was found guilty on all three counts, what did you think? >> i didn't think -- i kept doing what i was doing. >> you did? >> where were you when you got the news? >> i was at w