one of the best saxophone players anywhere, charles mcneil.o come in because we were getting ready to make a record and cecil like that saxophone and the trumpet. and we were getting ready to do another cd and i said, why don't we add a trombone? that is when joe berman came in. so we ended up with three horns. and we've had them ever since. 15 or 20 years. >> when it comes to the choir, and i had the privilege of being there and it seemed like you had rehearsed throughout the night, 16 songs. how do you come on sunday, you also select the songs? >> first i've got to see what soloists are there. i tried to set the mood for the preacher to preach. i think that is my primary job. you know, first you want to wake the people up. you don't want to start with nothing slow. then, the next song, you can't keep hitting them like that. you've got to wake them up and then calm them down. and then fire them back up. that is my way of doing it. and so far it has worked. and then something before the preachers that really touches you. it is really something