people like charles moore and this, what's his name, julian knight, they have no idea what it's actually i would say i think the bbc is vulnerable on, and i don't want to sound complacent. i mean, ijust made a programme about martin bashir. you know, he was an extremely calculating... and you cannot underestimate the extent to which this was, you know, plotted out. i mean, really, in a very considered, calculating, psychologically targeted way, step— by—step. i mean, it was very, very insidious, and it... but, you know, where i think the bbc is vulnerable is i think it still tends to be too defensive when some criticism is aired. and we saw that actually... it's interesting. for everyone listening, i've never seen all the panellists nodding so much. it's worth pointing out martin bashir did say, "obviously i regret what i did. it was wrong." he says it had no bearing on anything... that's absolutely not true. ..meaning diana going on to do the interview. we are out of time. to dorothy byrne, richard tait, jane martinson, david yelland and john ware, thank you all for your time today. you