the one he left out is the one portman arrived to and many conservatives, people like charles murray, conservative intellectuals always harbingers of conservative intellectual thought and grassroots conservatives, that is that i can love my son, accept them and realize i can be more marriage and for families and for same-sex marriage, that it is not against conservative principles to support his son in a same-sex marriage. frankly, we want more marriages in this country, not less marriages. that is what charles murray is saying now the thinker of the bell curve is saying we have a hollowing out of marriages in this country, single-parent households that are weakening across the country. we want more mar people married making life long commitments to each other. across america it makes our communities strong, our society strong are families strong, the life long commitment, regardless of the gender, we need more marriages not less. marriages are marriages and that is not -- >> if i may jump in, margaret, the latest poll we have, the quinnipiac poll of february 27 to march 4, 47% of ame

. >> kimberly: they might have believed -- >> dana: charles murray, trashed his speech and gave one contemporaneousts and beliefs on why he should be for gay marriage as a conservative. there is a lot of good in report. outreach a good thing. you can't just be talking to yourself. that's what a lot of people on the fringe of both parties do. talk most themselves to convince themselves they're right. >> bob: can i suggest that the republicans long-term reform and immigration is not only good policy and good politics for the republicans. the assumption that more democrats come in if you allow the hispanics in aligns that there is a lot of republicans. if you took away immigration, george bush proved this point in texas and ran for president. 40% something -- >> eric: unless you're president -- >> bob: no, no, no. eric, the angst in the hispanic community goes back down to the republicans' refusal to deal with immigration. when you have people, bush or others who see the light on this stuff, their policies are in match with awful lot of hispanics. >> eric: let me do this. before we go, run out of time