. >> at that time, charles murray was a 21-year-old history major at harvard, a liberal policy wonk comingf age in heady times. >> we were really optimistic in the 1960s because we had never tried to use government policies to eradicate poverty. it became really tough. >> murray would understand how tough a few years later. after earning a phd in political science at m.i.t. he went to work for a washington think tank with a government contract to evaluate the effectiveness of the great society's anti-poverty programs. murray's groundbreaking research transformed him from a liberal to a libertarian and helped transform the nation's welfare policy as well. was there a eureka moment during your research? >> there was. i came across a source which had calculated the poverty rates back to world war ii. the poverty rate had been going down even faster before the war on poverty, and that was the moment i said, oh, it's only after the war on poverty was a few years along athat we stopped making progress. >> it slowed. >> it stopped. >> murray's landmark 1984 book "losing ground" not only concluded

. >> charles murray was with a 21-year-old history major at harvard a liberal policy walkoming of agee optimistic because we never tried to use government programs to eradicate poverty. >> murray would come to understand how tough a few years later. after earning a ph.d. at mit he went to work for a washington think tank for a washington contract to evaluate the effectiveness of the great society anti poverty programs. the ground breaking research transformed him from a liberal to a libertarian and helped transform the welfare policy as well. >> was there a eureka moment during your research? >> there was. i came across a source which calculated the poverty rates back to world war ii. >> poverty rates has been going down faster before the war on poverty. that was the moment i said oh, it's only after the war on poverty was a few years along we stopped making progress. >> it sloped. >> it stopped. >> murray's landmark 1984 book losing ground not only concluded the war on poverty failed to help people out of poverty but it had devastating consequences for an under class stop in the cult

the evidence began to come out in the 80s with book by charles murray. all these journals, the public interest and others, the empirical evidence, the devastation it left in the wake of communities it was intended to help was stunning. in the early 90s i had decided despite good intentions what was essentially democracy or liberalism was not achieving the goals. the way to achieve them is with more limited government. that's how that happened. on the other question, there are examples of those that migrate the other way right to left on principle. gary wells, sullivan in our time. i'm not always sure there's a personal event in someone's life to affect their change. i'm not sure there's a real difference between left and right. >> one of the things in the book that's so important it's not just about politics. andrew you wanted to ask about one of the columns. >> my mom always says adversity never leaves where you find it. you are familiar about adversity. you write about your brother. in a column from 2006 you talk about your brother and his passing. i l

in fact, i'd written about bill kristol and bill bennett and charles murray at one point, sort of the early stream, really, of the compassionate conservatism we hear so much today. they were using a lot of those same ideas in the welfare reform debate. but i--i wrote about libertarians, and i wrote--wrote about pieces of the movement. and i found, brian, that it wasn't being covered in depth. it was fresh territory. and i found it quite interesting. i think there is a lot of working press--there is--does tend to be a liberal bias. and there does--and certainly among liberal political people there's ignorance, frankly, of--they know far less about conservatives than conservatives know about them. so i found it fresh territory. i call it a hidden history of american politics because the influence and the rise to influence of this particular generation of conservatives has tremendously infl--influenced the political debate when you look at everything from political muckraking to abortion politics to the budget battles of the '90s. and these guys were very key in helping shape those debat

murray? taig talking about clearly. charles payne is here to put everything inner perspective.tocks he's mentioned in the past. >> here's the thing, revenge of the brick and mortar. haven't everyone wrote off game stop, best buy, the ceo is trying to buy the company in the teens, so it's just absolutely amazing. sub trust upped their -- sun trust upped their target from 70 to $65. now, the company's beat the street in the last four quarters, the july quarter the number came in 125% better than the street. they like it now. and what's really interesting, you use traditional metics of 14 p e-trading at three times book, 20% short position on this, so good news, a good christmas season for them. dagen: nown what's going d you know what's going to help? the new tablets coming out from apple and like the new playstation out as well. that's got to drive traffic. >> it is. but it does seem logical that these guys would go out of business to have a tough time. best buy, deutsche bank ups their target to 50 this morning from 40. same thing. the last three quarters they beat by 167%. the

charles sizeler, to explain michael's rapid decline in health. dr. sizeler testified that the 60 nights of propofol infusions conrad murray admitted to giving the star the deep sleep needed for the brain to restore itself. >> michael jackson likely went 60 nights, 60 days, two months without getting any real sleep. >> aeg attorneys argued michael jackson was a drug addict who sought out doctors who would feed his addiction like conrad murray. >> they brought out a long parade of doctors who had given michael painkillers or had used propofol on michael jackson. >> the defense used the deposition of randy jackson, michael's brother, to argue that not only was michael addicted to drugs but he would have resisted any efforts at an intervention. >> aeg live said if the family can't help him, if the family can't stop him, how could we as concert promoters ever be expected to have done that? i think that was one of their strongest witnesses. >> michael jackson's two oldest children, prince and paris, were on the witness list to testify until -- >> paris jackson, the 15-year-old daughter of pop icon michael jackson, was rushed to a hospital in los angeles.

patty murray, dick durbin, and charles schumer, all trying to amend the language that would fund the entire amendment. you'll also hear from the majority leader, harry reid. this is an hour. >> mr. president, i had intented to give remarks and promulgate a series of unanimous consent requests, however the majority leader requested for purposes of scheduling i begin with the request which i'm happy to do so to accommodate his schedule. but i would ask that at the conclusion of these unanimous consent requests i would ask unanimous consent that i be given 20 minutes to speak at the conclusion of this to lay out the reasons why i believe the majority should aseed to the unanimous requests. >> objection? without objection, so ordered. >> so the first unanimous consent request i would promulgate, i asked unanimous consent that the senate proceed to the immediate consideration of h.j.res 72 making continuing appropriations for the veterans benefit s fiscal year 2014. i ask that the measure be read three times and passed and the motion to reconsider be considered made and laid upon the tabl