they say charity.b charles murray, you wrote losing ground. what's yourri answer?, in fact, i think if weh got rid of the entire welfare state, that the ability of thise very wealthy society to be able deal with problems would work.ah but i also would say -- i'm going to go wimpy on you. don't applaud. i'm about to go wimpy on you. i don't think it is within the realm of possibility for an industrialized, advanced societs with as much wealth as we have to ever do that politically. and i think that libertarians are going to have to strike a grand compromise with the left.t in effect saying, all right. wend will give you a big spendif if youf will give us freedom frm government interference. so i'd say look, i'm with milton freedman, i'd say use a guaranteed basic income for everybody over 21, deposit it monthly into electronically intr a known bank account. that's a very key thing. and let people take their lives back into their own hands. they will have the wherewithal and they can deal with the material necessities of life. if they do not do it, they're going to h

charles murray, what is your answer? >> well, i think in fact if we got rid of the entire welfare state, that the ability of the wealthy society to deal with the problems would work. i don't think it is within the realm of possibility for an advanced society with as much wealth to ever do that politically. i think that libertarians will have to strike a grand compromise. in affecting the we will give you a big spending if you will give us freedom from interference. i would say use of guaranteed basic income for everyone under 21 years old and known bank account, and let people take their lives back into their own hands. they will have the wherewithal that they can deal with this and if they do not do it, they will have to talk with friends and area neighbors and churches and in the community and they want to make their case. i think that is the better way to go. jo: you wrote a book about this. it is called "in our hands." his better book is "in pursuit of happiness and better government." so you're telling me that the s

charles murray, you wrote "losing ground." what's your answer in. >> in fact, i think if we got rid of the entire welfare state, that the ability of this very wealthy society to deal with the problems would work. all right? but i also would say -- i have to go wimpy on you now, don't applaud. i'm about to go wimpy on you. i don't think it's within the realm of possibility for an industrialized advanced society with as much wealth as we have to ever do that politically. and i think that libertarians are going to have to strike a grand compromise with the left. in effect, saying all right, we'll give you a big spending if you will give us freedom from government interference. and so i would say, look, i'm with milton friedman. i say, use a guaranteed basic income. for everybody over 21. deposit it monthly into -- electronically into a known bank account, nathat's a very key thing, and let people take their lives back into their own hands. they'll have the wherewithal that they can deal with the necessities of life. if they can't

two people who have educated me are charles murray author of can "losing ground." and larry reed of fied a found tation for economic education. larry i learned from you the welfare state started halfway through the empire. >> it took the form first of payments to recipients in the form of subsidized grain and government gave it away at half price. the problem was they couldn't will stop there. there was a man named flotius who ran on the free wheat for the masses and he won and it was downhill from there. >> they gradually raised taxes and gave stuff away and increase. >> including free salt, free pork, free olive oil other staples of the roman diet. >> people who show up and pick it up. >> there would be long lines. in fact they had a means test at one time and did away with it so that anybody could show up and get this free stuff. >> they decided everybody had to be educated by the state? >> nod everybodyieverybody but public schools. >> that was much later. rome grew to greatness with largely home schooling. and the first public schools. the first public schools

it does not matter if you read charles murray or any of these folks. we are on a dangerous trajectory in this country. the economy is a big part of that. slow growth is part of that. the greatest casualty is the least among us, the poor being trapped in poverty. i really believe we need to take a look at this. when we apply our principles -- liberty, freedom, free enterprise, self-determination, subsidiaries -- along with solidarity and community, you can have a rich, vibrant mosaic of a society where people can really make the most of their lives. we can get back to those days of upper mobility where people come to this country or are born in this country and say, i can make it. i can be who i want to be. we can get there if we really compete for these outcomes. if we measure all the stuff, how much money we throw at it, what the spreadsheet looks like, we will miss the mark. but if we measure based on outcome and results, i feel like we can make a difference. let's assume you are right and the real problem is government and too many programs and remo

there's a lot of evidence, a lot from charles murray all the way down to many academic guys.an almost predict sornl and economic mobility by taking a look at the kids' family. a two parent -- there is correlation. you can predict it's going to go bad. mark, this is such an important issue. i want goes to the heart of america because it goes to the heart of the family which is the heart of america. >> larry, poverty causes family breakup. there's correlation there because when people are poor they can't afford to keep their families together. they can't afford -- >> why is that? >> they get homeless. >> tell me why that is? why is that? >> if you're homeless very hard to keep a family together. if your kid can't get a decent education because they can't go to college -- >> did you google billionaires. are the google billionaires causing those economic problems or forced by technology and globalization. they want to talk about bush tax cuts and unions. >> they and their kids and great, great-grandkids never have to work a day. >> they may have a daughter who has a cure for canc

if i could make a plug for a book that we've talked about here for the past year and a half, charles murray wrote a book called "coming apart" where he takes exactly that point of the low income white areas, looks at white people, low income white areas and high income white areas and talks about the five things they need to be successive or to be predictive of how they won't be successful and then you can have a decent policy debate out of that. >> all right. >> got to go. >> got to go. >> nothing else to say about obama? >> i'm done. >> i'm done. >> all right. >> ahead, is calling someone a thug a more acceptable way of calling them the "n" word? prepare for that in a new rant from seahawks cornerback richard sherman next. >>> plus, late night legend jay leno is getting ready to pass his "tonight show" torch to jimmy fallon really soon. how does he really feel about being replaced? you'll hear from him coming up on "the five." >>> welcome back, everybody. the fastest seven minutes on cable news is on fire. three hot stories, seven hasty minute and one high-spirited host. first up, jay len

charles murray talked about universal basic income. there have been discussions about some of these other policies -- you know, to talk about -- i forget about dylan framed it. the one about having social security invest in the market, didn't george bush kind of talk about -- >> there was some discussion -- >> very differently. he framed it very differently. but, you know, the idea of investing these funds, these public funds in these types of ways is not so unique to the left. >> no, and jesse, as you pointed out earlier on cnbc, north dakota and alaska are already implementing aspects of this nefarious social agenda. we'll give you the details, ahead. >>> earlier in the show we asked you to tell us your story about getting arrested for marijuana possession. ton of answers posted to facebook and twitter. eva from facebook says my stepson twice. the good old new york stop and frisk. wasn't smoking it. found it in the ashtray of his car. my friend was kicked out of school after an arrest involving a few grams and dirty pipe. threw off h

even on the extreme end, charles murray at the american enterprise institute that advocates a lot of ideas that liberals don't like at all supports a basic income, which is a much larger version of earned income tax credit, for everybody that goes up no matter how high your income is. but when republicans and democrats talk about this, they mean different things. they mean making it bigger, republicans worry that's just basically giving people more money not for working. the earned income tax credit, it has two slopes. there's a period where you're working poor and you get more earned income tax credit the more you work and encourages work. then it has to phase out on the other end. republicans, they both don't like spending money on it and they worry about incentives against work on the phaseout end of it. what i would like to see in terms of strengthening it is thinking more about the earned income tax credit in conjunction with the other means tested programs that we have in this country. things like food stamps and medicaid. all these benefits that fade out as people earn more in

the great sociologist charles murray did a lot of studies on this and basically what he found was that people who went as far in school as they were capable of going, you know, which is certainly these days a high school education, and who got married and stayed married, and who got employed and to the best of their ability to do so, stayed employed. i mean, may have gone through brief periods of unemployment but took a job, kept a job for as long as possible. when you examine that group of people, as much education as you can stand, married and stay married and work as much as you can, you don't find any poverty. >> that's it. you're right. >> you may not be rich. they may not be rich. they may be scraping along but you don't find any poverty. >> families headed by two married parents, kathy, 7.5% poverty rate. that's it. families headed by a single mother, 33.9%. when you get into the specifics demographics, whites, hispanics, african-americans, those numbers are huge. you know, 40 years ago, before the war on poverty started, this poverty rate was down around 6% or 7% for the marrie

charles murray talked about universal basic income.ions about some of these other poli y policies -- you know, to talk about -- i forget about dylan framed it. the one about having social security invest in the market, didn't george bush kind of talk about -- >> there was some discussion -- >> very differently. he framed it very differently. but, you know, the idea of investing these funds, these public funds in these types of ways is not so unique to the left. >> no, and jesse, as you pointed out earlier on cnbc, north dakota and alaska are already implementing aspects of this nefarious social agenda. we'll give you the details, ahead. plus presents the cold truth. [ coughs, sneezes ] [ sniffles ] i have a big meeting when we land, but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. they don't? [ male announcer ] nope. they don't have a decongestant. really? [ male announcer ] really. alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a fast-acting

full-time worker versus 15% for overall america >> there is a piece in the national review today by charles murray49 those below the poverty level was at 41% and the number fell until lbj began the program and then it was 19%. and he said what happened in that period that caused the levels to fall? and he said nothing. the government didn't do anything during that period in terms of giving people things. >> and that rate went from 19% to 15% so what is going on isn't working. we could have put what we spent into creating jobs. what happened to the period prior was after the war there was job creation. and jobs, jobs, jobs. >> how do you do it though? >> you have to have regulation that is not so tough. i start a small business and the amount of paperwork and the fees i pay -- a lot of people don't have the resources. there is people in the garage with ideas but if the government is in the way of creating that you will never create the job. if i start a small business it isn't about me. microsoft was a two-man start. >> you have to make it easier to start businesses and give them incentives. they a

it does not matter if you read charles murray or any of these folks. we are on a dangerous trajectory in this country. the economy is a big part of that. slow growth is part of that. the greatest casualty is the least among us, the poor being trapped in poverty. i really believe we need to take a look at this. when we apply our principles -- liberty, freedom, free enterprise, self-determination, subsidiaries -- along with solidarity and community, you can have a rich, vibrant mosaic of a society where people can really make the most of their lives. we can get back to those days of upper mobility where people come to this country or are born in this country and say, i can make it. i can be who i want to be. we can get there if we really compete for these outcomes. if we measure all the stuff, how much money we throw at it, what the spreadsheet looks like, we will miss the mark. but if we measure based on outcome and results, i feel like we can make a difference. let's assume you are right and the real problem is government and too many programs and remo

a dozen matter whether we are charles murray are bob putnam or any of these folks. we have a dangerous demographic trajectory in this country. the budget is part of that. the entitlement and debt explosion are part of that. the economy and slower economic growth are a big part of that but the greatest casualty of this dangerous trajectory are the least among us, the poor who are being trapped in poverty. so i really believe we need to take a look at this and when we apply our principles, liberty, freedom free enterprise helped determination subsidiary is a term people might think to use, along with cert -- solidarity of community you can have a rich, vibrant mosaic of a society where people can really may come most of their lives where we can get back to those days of upward mobility where people come to this country were born in this country and say i can make it. i can do it. i can be who i want to be. we can get there if we really compete for these outcomes. if we measure all of this stuff i am much money we throw at it and what the spreadsheet looks at -- like a

charles suffered a concussion in the chief's play off game may be wondering what's up. with 41 seconds left. alex smith found the cowboys demarco murray let's go for the two pointer and the win. mike tolver was found on the sideline. >>> in the week leading up to super bowl xlviii will not exactly go the way the 49ers and fans were invisioning. just a little bit more than a week ago. the teams arrived today in newark, new jersey. their coach john fox has to be feeling fortunate to be thereafter heart surgery forced him to miss a portion of the season. peyton manning will play in his third super bowl looking for his second win. manning knows something about recovering after surgery himself. he can expect to be asked all week about how long he expects to be playing. >> i feel a little better than i thought i would coming off of that surgery. i still enjoy the preparation part of it. the game, everybody is doing to be excited about playing the super bowl. but i think when you still enjoy the preparation, the work part of it i think you probably still ought to be doing that. i think as soon as i stop enjoying it if i can't produce, if i c

murray turner said he died peacefully at a hospital in sacramento. turner broke ground when he developed the ethnicically diverse comic book in 1965 after getting the idea from charles schultz who created peanuts. he celebrated his 90th birthday on december 11th. >> time is now 6:23. it was a big night last night in los angeles. some of the biggest stars in the music industry turned out for the 56th annual grammy awards. >> yeah beyonce, jay z lived up to their expectations. jaw dropping performances. beyonce and jay z had this spectacular performance. and deaf punk kept wearing their trademark masks to keep their identities secret and did not sing a note. >>> that looks like paul mccartney and ringo star. the two sang from paul mccartney's latest album. >>> by the power vested in me by the state of california, i now pronounce you -- >> couples got married during an emotional ceremony at last night's grammy awards. and between mclemore and lewis saying love. it addressed the fight for same- sex marriage and also madonna's open your heart. >>> this morning, joes of west lake of daily city is closed. last night the popular website served its last meal to long time cus

republicans to disagree with the $25 billion when paul ryan or patty murray deal was reached or find 17 billion to give us an extension. i think charleshammer said to force democrats going for it, you have to show us how pay for it and he believes that like i do. i imagine you do as well. you don't want to see those who have suffered the most -- >> absolutely not. absolutely not. >> because politicians -- >> i agree but also what -- what i don't want to see is what has been happening for the past decade under republican presidents and democratic presidents and if you want something, if you want a war, if you want a tax cut, if you want drug benefit plans for medicare, if you want what -- whatever you want, write a check and don't pay for it. we can't do that any more. >> in the house and senate voted for these extensions of war payments without looking for payment -- i'm just hearing that. >> republicans? >> i'm sorry, i got you. i didn't hear you. >> it makes me sad. >> oh, stop, joe. >>> jeremy peters, what is going to happen on the hill? >> i don't think anything should surprise any of us at this point. the expectation is that the