m the odd thing is to me, i know charles murray very, very well.ore civilized human being. if you read his book, "coming apart," the professors ate middlebury read it, said it is a middle-of-the-road approach to things. but because murray wrote the bell curve, stratification, they would not let him speak. this is an outrage. let me get right to the point. can this stop? yes, if the people in charge, and the students were not in charge, i know it's cliche to say the inmates run asylum, the doctors are running the asylum, the doctors are the administration on the faculty and they are quacks and they need to stand up and say what the college or university is for. my only argument with charles that he shouldn't have stood there for so long. and don't think he should have stood there for an hour and taken it. where was the administrator who would step up and say, stop this, you will be arrested if you keep this up, you will bee expelled. this does happen, tucker, occasionally, at other campuses. ohio state, they handled it very well. at middlebury, they

we talk a lot about free speech at, charles murray, and culture.to say what she wants to say? >> there is no constitutional first amendment right, obligation, for city college to invite anyone. they can write who they want way they don't have an obligation to invite her. they don't have an obligation to keep her. they can dismiss having her. this is city college's decision. one of the main reasons we should not have her speak is the fact that she has praised the anti-file, the terror war that was killed and seven. the fact tha she has praised killer of jews, she claimed that this was an honor and privilege being with this jews killer. she is someone who supports radical islamic terrorism as well as being anti-semitic, she said that israel, the jews should not have a state of their own. there could be 57 islamist state. she is a racist, anti-semite, supporter of radical islamic terrorism. by having her, it means dreams those terrible traits. >> martha: you are friends with linda sarsour. why do you think that those things don't matter for this gradu

whether it is deemed to be appropriate, you spend weeks and months apologizing, and dairy ub charles murray and say -- dear you be -- the country is coming apart socially because of something you wrote 22 years earlier that no one has read. and has no idea what you actually say. that you are assaulted by a mob on a college campus. it's much worse now than it was then, i think. although it was terrible than in its own way, and all the seeds of the degradation, part of what you read and it was the follow-up which is breaking ranks, a book about political revolution, is the abdication of intellectual responsibility by this class when the war, violent war, romantic of the 1960s began to take over, and people that you wanted to be in the fight with you against it simply refused or were too afraid or lost confidence in the importance of their own approach, right? >> ruth and then michael. >> just to turn, my experts with this book is been so different that may be it is worth commenting on. about five times since 1990 i gave a course on the new york intellectual. i would say i far the most interes

in this way i am completely with you with charles murray in the free society or the unfree society and the way that he was treated as a disgrace. so it should or should not free people in that disgraceful way but also the university of chicago the number of people who thought the democratic party is more full of nonsense and still think that is significant and the intellectual leadership in the two places in the universities that i know, the wall school in economics come from the right. the current institution have many of the top people that are either right of center or could not be described. and that 92% number is alarming. >> is there an awareness of the problem that needs to be solved? >> my general reaction to this is a product of my experience over the last number of years so we have a number of challenges. 40,000 people die on the highways in 2016. that is an increase. the infrastructure is in great. the unemployment level while down remains too high. the national gdp growth is not high enough. there's there is a problem with persistent poverty and education and preparation. t

not just look at thehas a speakers who have been deemed too controversial to speak, including charles murray of the american enterprise institute, a scholar set to speak at middlebury college. yiannoupolis, one invited to speak at cal state los angeles. parker, decidedly less controversial, said to speak at elon university, and the students signed a petition and it was called off. devin mcguinness, a conservative actor in cofounder of ice media met with protesters at nyu. : binkley, writing for the is -- colin binkley, "some cast the debate as a political battle. first amendment advocates warn the line could slip if more college students adopt less than absolute views on free speech. when uc berkeley canceled and colder's speech among threats of violence, it was the latest example. since the beginning of 2016, nearly 30 campus speeches have been derailed, and the controversy. in many cases speaker seven targeted for their views on race and sexual identity." let's go to the phones, frank from abingdon, virginia. republican. what do you make? caller: well, in my experience over the last 70 yea

the campus police have gone after serious thinkers like heather mcdonald and charles murray, as wello unopolis. some were invited and others were booed and interrupted. it's strange this is happening on college campuses, that promise to give their undergraduates a liberal education. the world liberal has nothing to do with partisan language. but to the root, pertaining to liberty. and at the heart of liberty has been freedom of speech. from the beginning, people understood that this meant protecting and listening to speech with which you disagreed. oliver wendell holmes said when we protect freedom of thought, we are protecting freedom for the thought that we hate. freedom of speech and thought is not just for warm, fuzzy ideas that we find comfortable. it's for ideas that we find offensive. there is, as we all know, a kind of anti-intellectualism on the right these days, the denial of facts, of reason, of science. but there is also an anti-intellectualism on the left. an attitude of self-righteousness that says we are so pure, we're so morally superior, we cannot bear to hear an ide

protests turned violent when charles murray was drowned out at rutgers university, former secretary ofling out from a planned speech amid protests and conservative commentary a ann coulture pushed out. the incidents sending shock waves across conservative cable news. leading to the question, is free speech dying on college campuses? >> would it matter if i was the most hateful, abusive, dreadful person in the world because these colleges are public institutions and they have an obligation to provide a platform for people who want to speak. >> reporter: milo is about as controversial as they come. he's built a career on bashing political correctness by publicly degrading feminism, social justice and earlier this year, he was forced to cancel his speech at uc berkeley after riots broke out. >> if it is true that my mere presence on a college campus is enough to stop violence, the fault lies not with me but the universities. >> reporter: what about the students who don't want you there in the first place? >> stay home. >> reporter: the debate is swirling on campus. why not have controvers

student marauders stopped charles murray at middlebury. ann coulter had to cancel., elevating the bombastic nuisance into a martyr. some wants "new york times" to fire bret stevens. he there was a "times" column under the headline, "climate of complete certainty." stevens used the example of hillary clinton's failed campaign to show that such certainty can lead to hubris. while not denying climate change nor human role in it, he nevertheless set that while climate science is scrupulous, that's not always the case with its boosters. the column sparked a hue and cry, and some subscription cancellations. which i find ridiculous. or consider the democratic taunts of gop members who voted to repeal obamacare on thursday. ♪ na, na, hey, hey, good-bye >> my cnn colleague chris lizza was right to say that this kind of jeering and mocking is exactly why people hate politics. look, the left is understandably fired up, but there's only one beneficiary in a climate of liberal intolerance, and that's donald trump. he's helped when he is no longer the bad behaving outlier but the

you had the hideous episode up at middlebury college in vermont, where charles murray was basically shoutedob, for which there has only been the mildest sort of punishment going on up there for those students. we do have real intolerance. you had stephen colbert in this rant last night on his comedy show on cbs, which was just obscenity started, something you hear off-color cracks on late-night shows from time to time, but nothing that i have seen is as unrepeatable he vulgar as what i heard last night. these are restraints that are being broken through as we go. it does make you wonder if we are on a slippery slope to it real violence. >> tucker: ed kind of does. my question is, what about the leaders, such as they are? chuck schumer, for example, i think he is a loyal american. he is certainly a smart guy. why wouldn't he stand up as the senior democrat in the senate, and to say generally to his people, you are not allowed to block traffic, you can't set things on fire, stop with the violence, this is crazy? why doesn't he do something like that? >> let people speak. but people speak, rig

student marauders stopped charles murray at middle bury. ann coulter had to cancel.a times column under the headline, climate of complete certainty. stevens used the example of hillary clinton's failed campaign so show that such certainty can lead to human russ. he said that while climate science is scrupulous, that's not always the case with its boosters. the column sparked some subscription cancellations. or consider the democratic taunts of gop members who voted to repeal obamacare on thursday. ♪ na, na, hey, hey, good-bye >> my cnn colleague was right to say that this kind of engineering and mocking is exactly why people hate politics. the left it is fired up but there's only one beneficiary in a climate of liberal tolerance and that's donald trump. he's helped when he is no longer the bad behaving outlier but the norm in a political atmosphere run amok. not only will his base stick with him, 96% say they're ready to vote for him again, but such behavior will also alienate independents who might be swayed by the perception of a political pylon. the best way to fi

know, those of us -- there were those of us who were calling -- on the left politically who when charles murray expected and did speak out very strongly against that because that was disgust and this was disgusting and there's a context here, we all know, which is a president who has been demonizing the media day after day after day since he started running and, you know, it's really appalling. >> i can't believe you're going to blame this on donald trump. >> you can't come out and say this is wrong. >> only the left would say this is donald trump. >> only you would say -- jack, only you would say -- and partisan people would say blaming it on donald trump, by saying that someone contributed to the environment is not blame. that's not blame. they contributed to the environment that would allow something like this. >> i think this candidate has to own his own actions. i don't blame this solely on donald trump. i think this is on the part of, you know, the republican candidate and whether democrat, republic republican, independent, green party, whoever you are, if this was a democratic candidate,

charles murray is an american intellectual of the first rank t and he 75 years old, his book has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the decline of the middle class and he kept race out of it specifically but he was set upon almost knocked to the ground, his liberal escort -- i don't know what happened in campuses in americal they can't have a healthy debate it's never happened to me, thank goodness. i do believe that universities are going to become very dull boring places in places like hillsdale college are going to get all of the vibrant intellects because -- left and right or some of the smaller liberal arts colleges that embrace genuine intellectual diversity. they will prosper in the years ahead, not middleberry will pay a price and i would not send my kid to berkeley.se i just wouldn't.rk if you can't have a conversation why go there smart. >> host: joe in new york city. >> caller: good afternoon, gentlemen. welcome to usc. i'm a proud alumnus of the annenberg school. i'd like to ask your re recollections of ambassador annenberg and also do you think annenberg would suppor

shutting down conservative speakers the way that middlebury college did with conservative author charles murraye that college campuses have free speech all over them, not just in designated free-speech zones, places like wisconsin and tennessee are are doing it. and some of them are better than others, but i think, you know, it's a sign that these states have finally had enough and it's a ten in the right direction. -- step in the right direction. paul: jason. >> a hit for roger moore who has died at the age of 89. he was not my favorite james bond, but he did play the character in "for your eyes only." i also thought he wore the celebrity well. he didn't complain about being typecast or this wrongs throngs of fans bothering him. he seemed to appreciate there are worse things in life than being rich and famous. paul: bill. >> the puerto rican day parade in new york coming up, the board of the parade announced that they were designating oscar lopez rivera as a national hero, freedom hero. and that's backed by the speaker of the city council. it's provoked backlash. these people get a hit. the ya

. >> it doesn't split on left right lines at all at one extreme you see charles murray being in favor of it many i think it's particle whether whereas people in the center i want to do it in a way more paternalistic wage subsid tis that's for housing naes for whatever. whereas both left and right of different kinds are happier just to say here is the money then it's fungible you can choose how to use it. there's a kind -- the politics of this are not straightforward as i think. >> >> olivia yes you were talking a lot about services if it felt like you were. >> yes, i think that in the end the answer going to have to be a combination, right. children and families will not benefit if they can't get health care or they get evicted because they have a little bit of cash but it doesn't solve the problems. so to me where you start is partly about the world at that moment. right now the core health care benefit is threatened. protecting that comes next and making it be effective. i actually feel very worried about the threats to housing, which i think it's hard for me when i think about the

or because he is charles murray and holds the views that are controversial on race and iq.f you find yourself kind of finding and calling somebody just de facto kind of an tolerable and unacceptable, one of the things that i find is really important is to invite yourself to change your own story. and ask yourself what is it that i'm trying, what notion of identity and my reinforcing that makes me unable to tolerate this other person. if you asked that about yourself first, that's a really good way to invite the other person to ask that of herself. but if you start with hey man, why are you so close minded? why are you such a big it? that's a pretty big way to end the conversation, right? there's a wonderful book that a wanted man to all of you by somebody who i read for many years and about three weeks ago i had kind of the thrill of talking to for the first time, i guy named c terry warner who is a retired professional of psychology at brigham young university and about this book about 15, 60 years ago called bonds that make us free. it's a book so to like my and a sense t

that was more courage than was shown at middlebury college, remember when they wouldn't let charles murraymanded the president of the university's resignation. how about that? second, when i was education secretary i gave commencement address, 25, 30 years ago at brooklyn college. a bunch of student turned their back on me. what i did? i turned their back on them. what are you doing, we came here for commencement address. i said when they turn their backs around face me, i will show respect for them. other point -- ainsley: how did she handle it? >> she was very gracious and graceful. i'm an irishmen, i would have done it differently, a little punch first. look, the thing to say is, when they're all booing, is this what you learned in your four years of college education? is this your idea of an argument. boo is not an argument. brian: when you talk about what she stands for, school choice, you could argue the benefit the black community for any other, to give them a shot at the school systems, maybe their neighborhood different. >> brian, no one has done more to give opportunity for poor

heading south into charles county, the pursuit is now northbound on indian head highway in prince george's county. we're live on air. >> we understand my colleague lauren demarco murray is in touch with some of her law enforcement sources. she's the one who told me they laid out these strips in the street that have spikes in the the tour -- tires of the ambulance were destroyed. but it didn't stop the guy. slowed him down, obviously. but didn't stop him. >> smouldering bits and pieces of rubber littering the roadway. >> i think the pursuit is over. >> reporter: most unusual of police chases would end on allentown road in camp springs west of route five, branch avenue. the stolen ambulance collide waiting maryland state trooper's cruiser before coming to a stop. >> let's beg forgiveness as opposed to asking for permission. >> reporter: the suspected thief 43-year-old william person of temple hills maryland would soon be placed on a stretch and loaded into another ambulance to be taken back to prince george's county hospital center where his wild ride began after 6:00 a.m. >>> a gentleman by the name of william person was admitted to the hospital. prince george's count