charles murray joins us tonight.oming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: what i was struck by, you've written a couple of books, one in particular controversial 20 years ago, when you wrote it, people in the left freaked out. but they read and responded to what was in it. >> some of them. >> tucker: at least they present tended to. when you went to middlebury, i didn't get the sense that anyone had read anything you have written? >> some of they will bragged about it. the faculty member leading the charm against me appearing had never read a word i had written but knew i was a bad guy. >> tucker: how did it unfold? we have played this video a number of times. this inls dent sums up a lot, that's wrong with the country. this incident. you were there, what was it like? >> i expected, because i had been briefed by the people at middlebury that the protests would occur. what we didn't know was with whether they were going to keep it up forever. i thought, hell, i'll stand up here all night to wait them out. bill burger, who

charles murray is not appeared on television since that incident.an at the center joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: what i was struck by was you've written a couple of books, one in particular, that was controversial 20 years ago. when you wrote it, the left freaked out. but they read the book, and they responded to what was in it. >> some of them. >> at least they pretended to. when he went to middlebury, i didn't get the sense that anybody had read anything you've written. >> some of them bragged about appeared him by some of them i mean, the faculty members. the faculty member who is doing the charge said he had never read a word i had written. but he still knew i was a bad guy. >> tucker: how did this unfold? we play this video number of times. this incident kind of sums up a lot that's wrong with the country right now. you were there. what was that like? >> i expected it because i've been briefed by the people at middlebury that the protest would occur. what we didn't know was whether they were going to keep it

charles murray, a conservative thinker at the american enterprise institute has his own plan. his view is the welfare bureaucracy is such a mess. let's get rid of it, roll it into one check and say goodbye. the big problem is who is supposed to get this money? if it's a universal program, that means everybody gets it. everybody would be entitled to it whether you are mark zuckerberg or someone homeless. they can't be right. the problem out of the box that i see is are you going to means tested? if you are, how is it an improvement over what we already have? >> bill: 2,000 or $3,000 a month. they think robots are going to take everybody's job. >> that's part of the premise that i think -- i am open to new ideas. i am deeply skeptical of this but i think what we should look for is evidence on how does it work? how does it work in america or in a western society? mark zuckerberg is worth somewhere around $60 billion, barely edging the outcome i will confess great he's got some money to play with. give or take a few tens of billions of dollars. take a modest sized county in americ

first, you had the middlebury incident where you had charles murray. he is a very controversial social scientist. most of the controversy about in concerns a book he wrote, he cowrote many years ago, although some often concerns his more recent writing. at middlebury, students stood and turned their backs and chanted and stomped to prevent him from speaking. when middlebury then took him to another location to speak via livecast, he did that, but as he was leaving along with the professor who was with him, not a supporter, they were pretty much attacked by a crowd and the crowd attacked the car trying to take him away. at berkeley there been a series of incidents. first involving a very popular campus speaker until he became actually too controversial for the conservatives who are bringing him to campus with his comments about underage sex. then with ann coulter, who was scheduled to appear and then called off her appearance amid exchanges of charges over who was responsible for that. a few other key bits of context. one is the first amendment, which w

on in some of the colleges now where you have people, to give you an example, there's the guy charles murray who wrote the bell curve along with richard which basically came out with ideas around racist blaming black people specially for some of the ideas you mentioned. he actually was going to be speaking in college recently and there was a protest that prevented him from speaking. personally, i think -- i would like to know your opinion because i actually think that that was a actually a good thing because the problem is hate speech, i think, is something like yelling fire in a crowded theater, some laws against that and in a racist society that creates the conditions that exist to build racism to blame people and as charles murray has done for their own problem for their own predicament is to me danger and potentially harmful and people die from this. you know, it's a tricky free speech thing, but thank you. >> very quickly, i'm happy you mentioned dorothy roberts fatal inventions, that's one of my favorite books and she actually operates as structural standpoint and this is about power,

charles murray was there for shouted down from speaking and then when the event was moved students pulled the fire alarm to prevent him from speaking. it was not dr. mar yvette the students who essentially falsely yell fire in a crowded theater. the middle very professor who administered, who moderated the debate was physically assaulted and has yet to fully recover from her serious injuries. it was not a mere handful of students but a mop who engaged in such appalling conduct at an institution theoretically devoted to rationality. not including those who were not captured on video the college discipline more than 70 students but none was expelled or even suspended. it is as if practical matter no one received any more punishment than the secret -- as a penalty that is dr. moran noted such week punishment will not deter any future students. the first amendment is very clear. the supreme court has decided that free speech is protected, that speech cannot be restricted based on viewpoint, the public forums must be places where free-speech rights can be exercised and restraint on speech is o

when charles murray came to speak at princeton, and there was a respectful protest but he was able to give the speech, no reporting on that. when ow students had a debate with rick santorum at the end, he complimented the students on their respective maifer and there was very little reporting on that debate. so i think there is exaggeration around the set of incidents that's taking place on college campuses. i find our students and our faculty as well as university leadership are strongly dedicated to the importance of free speech on campus but these are fundamental values and obviously we have to be attentive to making sure that people from all viewpoints are able to speak on our campus. >> that's a nuanced message that can get lost in today's polarized debate. sounds like you're saying you are a strong believer in free speech, you are quite bothered by some of these attacks on free speech which tend to come from the political left, but at the same time you think it is not the existential problem that the political right has sometimes made the issues out to be, is that fair? >> i thi

think in this way and in the no speech codes way is a model and i'm completely with you with charles murray that's in a free society or even unfree society the way he was treated is a his grace, so unfree society should be free and unfree society should not treat people in that disgraceful way. but also the university of chicago, the number of people who are thought the democratic party is full of nonsense and still think that is significant and the intellectual leadership in the two places in the university of chicago that i know, the law school and the economics environment that has come from the right and my current institution harvard law school, many of the top people there are either right of center or could not be described as left of center. >> yeah. >> that's that 92% number you give, that's alarming. >> is there an an awareness of a problem that needs to be solved here? highest academic level, they are $32 billion, the heck with worrying about it. >> my general reaction to it is undoubtedly a product of my experience over the last x years, so our country has a number of challenges

there are some including charles murray who was the monitor in that clip who say it is different. there is something different now. that is what michael is saying. i am not convinced that is true. his are the same arguments we movementn the actual for whom the term derived were worrying about new technology. you could hear these arguments in the state of the union speeches by jfk saying we know automation is increasing, we will offer job training to help this policy solution vary. but you find unemployment rates don't. they are low despite ever-increasing automation. the proposal to increase minimum wage much more likely to hurt the number than basic income. host: we go to arizona where susan is calling on the $25,000 to $50,000 a year line. [video clip] we have got to caller: teach children that the american experience is first more about equality, not equality of outcome. it is disingenuous we are looking at a billionaire who does a commencement speech and says we should look for something like this. that is not with the american experience was built upon. race, howking about to

i don't recall a speaker invited to being shut down in a way that charles murray and heather mcdonald where they destroyed $1 the $100,000 worth of property for the individuals. this is terrible and comes from the encouragement of the obama administration and justice department of violence people in the civil rights movement now celebrating career criminals. there is a debate cut interest and currie on black people so why would anybody go out and -- there is no indication that anybody was involved in his death at all. so i think things are a lot worse than they were then. the new left was committed until the end of the decade to american ideas like democracy and listening to the other side and having respect. now they preach respect that they have no respect for people with different views. >> host: what were you doing in the 60s? >> guest: i started the 60s as a radical at the berkeley. i got up and gave a speech in the center of the campus denouncing kennedy's nuclear testing in the atmosphere and i was hauled into the committee of dean's. i needed it that permission before i got up

have happened but i don't recall a speaker invited to a campus being shut down in a way that charles murray and mcdonald where they destroyed $100,000 worth of property, six individuals sent to the hospital. this is terrible and i think it comes from the encouragement by the obama administration and the obama justice department of, you know, violent people. the civil rights movement now celebrates career criminals and freddie gray, freddie who parade on black people, why would anybody go out and defend him and there's no indication that any police were involved in his death at all. well, i think there's a lot worse than they were then. the new left was committed until the end of the decade to american ideas like democracy and listening to the other side, you know, having respect the difference but they have no respect for people with different views. >> what were you doing in the 60's? >> well, i started the 60's as radical in berkeley and i actually was -- got up and gave a speech in the center of the campus denouncing kennedy' resemciÓn of nuclear testing in the atmosphere. i was called i

baltimore, the total lack of respect for the police, to berkeley, middlebury, where someone like a charles murray is treated abysmally where you justify burning cars, turning them over, writing the f word on the american flag. this is the type of carnage which is going to get worse unless both parties speak out against how it incites the already deranged among us. >> john: we have seen calls for unity in the past. they lasted maybe a couple weeks after 9/11. how long do you expect this is going to last? >> i agree with everything laura just said. i don't like this call for unity will last much longer. i was telling mara that i feel for and worry about steve scalise. it doesn't look good at this point. but whatever happens, i think they are going to be back in the pits, at each other's throats, fighting tooth and nail, using language which sends the wrong signals the young people who regurgitate it on social media. this is self-fulfilling and self producing and self regenerating the concept of every hill is worth dying for and every battle is a battle towards the death. see one nancy pelosi was sa

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the kind of intolerant violent protests that sought to shut down conservative speakers and charles murrayand professor that invited him to middlebury got attacked, sent the woman to the hospital. we have seen this on college campuses. we know that most things that start on college campuses in america end up filtering out to the general public. >> tucker: what is the motive behind it exactly? where does the anger come from do you think? >> i think a lot of it comes from the fundamental difference between the way progressive views politics and the way conservatives view politics. for progressives, an issue like healthcare or immigration or gun control isn't just a matter of a policy difference or difference of opinion. it's an article of faith. if you disagree with them about that, you are not just ill-informed or wrong. you are a bad person. you a racist. you are a xenophobe and you need to be silenced. this is the rhetoric we see coming out of campuses. increasingly we see it in public life in america. >> tucker: you're an apostate. to them, the left is secular, aggressively secular in a

the kind of intolerant violent protests that sought to shut down conservative speakers and charles murrayand professor that invited him to middlebury got attacked, sent the woman to the hospital. we have seen this on college campuses. we know that most things that start on college campuses in america end up filtering out to the general public. >> tucker: what is the motive behind it exactly? where does the anger come from do you think? >> i think a lot of it comes from the fundamental difference between the way progressive views politics and the way conservatives view politics. for progressives, an issue like healthcare or immigration or gun control isn't just a matter of a policy difference or difference of opinion. it's an article of faith. if you disagree with them about that, you are not just ill-informed or wrong. you are a bad person. you a racist. you are a xenophobe and you need to be silenced. this is the rhetoric we see coming out of campuses. increasingly we see it in public life in america. >> tucker: you're an apostate. to them, the left is secular, aggressively secular in a

the kind of intolerant violentt protests that shut down conservative speakers, charles murray, got attackednt a woman to the hospital. we have seen this on college campuses,we and as we know, most things that start on college campuseses in america and up filtering out into the general public. >> tucker: what's the motive behind it exactly. what is the anger come from, do you think? >> i think a lot of it comes from the fundamental difference between the way progressives viewer politics and the way conservatives view politics. for progressives, an issue like health care or immigration or gun control isn't just a matter of policy difference or a difference of opinion. le faith.rticle of and if you disagree with him on that, you are not just ill-informed or wrong, you're a bad person. you are racist, you're raising a folk, and you need to be silenced r. this is the rhetoric that were seen coming out of campuses, and increasingly, we see that in public life in america. >> tucker: to them, and the irony of course is that the left is aggressively secular, but they just transferred that religious

trustees will say, what am i paying $55,000 a year for add to middle bury, that they can chase charles murrayrents talk about the kids being bullying by other kids in school because they talk about their parents for supporting trump or that they like something that trump did or said. >> kennedy: the justification of warmbier's murder? >> bill: gross. >> meghan: all of the women sitting on this couch, if you are somebody who goes out in public and you work for fox news, i know where i am not going to be harassed for watch. just because i am a conservative on television talking about my beliefs is something that will apparent leave warns harassment. we are living in a really scary time. we have kathy griffin having ability head of our president. julius caesar, thinking it is hilarious to have fake stab president trump. rhetoric is out of control. look at the congressman sitting in the hospital right now after a bullet wound. i do not have the answer, but i believe, i disagree, i think it is worse now. >> bill: it is worse now. >> kennedy: but what is better h we have more "outnumbered" in just

for example, when charles murray wants to give a speech at middlebury college, they have to have a riotay they don't have a debate in which they demolish his arguments. they don't want to win the debate. they want to prevent the debate from taking place. they want to label somebody a hater. if you happen to think that obamacare is not the best public policy, it is because you want grannies and urchins to die. once you do that, you're basically saying, there is no form of civilized political discourse possible with your opponent and the logic of that is that instead to you right yet and you beat them up, as they do at middlebury. you poison them, as happened to robert spencer, who is well-known to this network, when he gave a speech in iceland recently. or you open fire on them. you make politics impossible if you do that. >> tucker: he you are not debating someone who disagrees with you, you are debating somee who is immoral. the faithful versus the infidel. there is a religious quality to the way they approach politics. you notice that? >> yes, i think so. if you have people like the s

when charles murray came to speak at princeton, he was able to give the speech.o reporting on that. when our students had a debate with rick santorum, at the wind event she complimented the students on their respectful behavior. there was very little reporting on that kind of debate. so i do think there is exaggeration around the set of incidents that are taking place on college campuses. i find that our students and faculty as well as university leadership are strongly dedicated to the importance of free speech on campus, but these are fundamental values, and obviously we have to be attentive to making sure that people from all viewpoints are able to speak on our campus. david: that is obviously a nuanced message that can get polarizedday's choru debate. you are saying that you are a strong believer in free speech and you're bothered by these attacks on free speech which come from the political left, but at the same time, you think it is not the existential problem that the political right has sometimes made the issues out to be. is that a fair summary? chris: o

charles murray gets drummed off the stage , he can't give a speech buzz they disagree with what they think he's going to say. when that happens to others along the way that aren't able to give the speech they want to give. hen brigitte gabriel, an americanized person from israel, she was wounded in the bombing as a little girl she watched television on battery operated tv, she saw "bonanza" and "dallas" that showed the quality and character of the american life. she understood that we're a people, and she said this just last wednesday morning right after we learned of the shooting, she said she learned as a little girl, 8 to 10 years old, that americans are people that candice agree without having that breakdown into violence or without hurling acquisitions -- accusations and insults at the person we disagree with. we are a people that have a quality of our character that we candice agree with each other and do so and still be friends. and respect the opinions of the other. that's one of those things that keep this is republic going and keeps it successful. but i'm watching it digres

so, for example, when charles murray wants to give a speech at middle bury college, they have to have riot. they don't have a debate in which they demolish his argument. they don't want to win the debate. they want to prevent the debate taking place. they want to label somebody as hater. once do you that you are saying there is no form will civilized political discourse possible with your opponent and the logic of that is that instead you riot and beat them up as they do at biddl middle by and you open fire on them. and you make politics impossible if do you that. steve: the first shots have been fired. let's pray it's the last in america comes to its senses before it's too late. those are the words of michael good win who has written op-ed today. ainsley: a democrat. brian: meanwhile governor terry mcauliff by the way is making it clear he wants to run for president. as governor of virginia you do want to hear from him. i was shocked to hear this. >> i have long advocated this is not what today is about, but there are too many guns on the street. we lose 93 million americans a day to

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cup finals he even gave some hockey analysis and sounded like he knew his stuff<charles barkley>"pekka has been amazing. murrays been amazing. even going back marc- andre fluery last series. i just, i'm just glad to be here because the nba playoffs have not been great but the stanley cup playoffs have been amazing." (darya) nashville predators fans like to throw dead catfish on the ice. one fan got arrested for throwing a catfish on the ice in pittsburgh. they responded by throwing lots of things into the ice when the predators hosted their first stanley cup final game against pittsburgh. preds coach peter laviolette asked fans to stop it in a psa released monday on twitter. (darya) former 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick will remain a free agent as of this morning. the seattle seahawks announced they have signed quarterback austin davis. for the last several weeks, there were several rumors linking kaepernick and seate. but the seahawks went in a different direction. head coach pete carroll says davis fits the team better but believes kaepernick should still remain in the n-f-l. kap threw for 16 touchdowns

charles. robert writes about documentary sites and sounds and is a film maker in chief at the murray center forocumentary journalism at the university of missouri, so please help me welcome robert. [applause]. >> end of the book guy, my colleague doctor christopher, is associate professor of bush at the university of missouri and part of the department african studies program. he is also an affiliate of a black studies and i'm always really proud of having him on our website and in our community. his particular specialties are 20 through 21st century african-american literature, modern africa literature in english and post- glial theories in addition to his book, his work has also appeared in these prestigious journals, for example researching african literature, african american review, african literature today he is at work on another book, which i am so excited about and it is tentatively titled, kindred spirits. so, very excited to be here with these two gentlemen and why when stephanie called me i said of course i will do this is that baldwin has a very special place in my heart. i grew up

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