[chanting] >> charles murray, go away! charles murphy, go away! racist, sexist, anti-gay!harles murphy, go away! racist, sexist, anti-gay! charles murphy, go away! racist, sexist, anti-gay. -- post: host: charles murray, go away, racist, sexist, anti-gay. is any of that true? and didn't his daughter go to middlebury? prof. stanger: his daughter went to middlebury, and i would not use any of those terms to describe that man. host: why were the students doing that? prof. stanger: it was a tragedy. there was a small minority of students who wanted to shut the speech down, and there were allies that wanted to be supportive. i know student after student who went there who did things he were planning to do precisely because of that small minority was so outraged, and so angry that they felt that to be a good human being, you had to do the same thing. host: what are they angry about? prof. stanger: about the gross inequality in the united states, about the existence of unequal treatment before the law and our criminal justice system. about the election of donald trump, which none

if you have enough power to do that or you just close them down as for example have had with charles murray at the university of michigan and other conservatives. it's nothing personal i don't think. so what happened was beginning in the 1970s, the last saw these instruments of the revolutionary designs and so the first thing they did is from the faculty not how hiring them basically said today most college campuses conservatives are as rare as unicorns. they purged conservative books from their reading lists. an average student can go through four years of college in our country today and never encounter a conservative adult or read a book by a conservative that hasn't been dead for a hundred years. the other thing they do is purge the ideas from the curriculum and they do that by inventing what they call studies, an american studies, black studies, women's studies, they are all political fields, not scholarly field, but they are about learning left-wing politics. women's studies isn't [inaudible] it's about training marxist feminists and fully discredited marxist idea that determines ever

then q&a with allison stagger on the reaction of middle very college students to offer charles murray appeari on campus. drmurray and professor stenger were physically attacked following the event here today , the national constitution center cohosted a debate with the federalist society and the american constitution society. c-span cities tour takes you to springfield, missouri on generous six and seven while working with media come to explore the literary scene and history of the birthplace of route 66 in southwestern missouri. on saturday, january 6, at noon eastern on book tv, author jeremy neeley talks about the conflict occurring along the kansas-missouri broader -- border on the struggle over slavery. 1858, john brown comes back to the territory and begins a series of raids into western missouri, during which his men will liberate enslaved people from missouri and help them escape to freedom. in the course of this, they will kill a number of slaveholders. so the legend or the notoriety of john brown really grows as part of this struggle that people locally understand is really

kennedy: at millbury college they shot down charles murray and hurt a liberal professor for defendingis right to speak. >> i said this events happened. you had one speaker come. what changes were made? what punishment was given to students. the students banders together and said defend these students. they institute a new policy where every speak more comes top campus has to gets approval. kennedy: milo yiannopoulos caused riots at berkeley. >> nothing said we are going to have a progressive protest like burn your own campus down. this is a perfect case study of antifa. they label everyone as nazi if they don't agree with them. if violence is acceptable it's there will hands tory now if you get everyone agree. kennedy: cabot, thank you so much. coming up, a wiseman once said it's not whether you fall down in life or whether you catch the drone ♪ with expedia, you can book a flight, then add a hotel, and save. ♪ everything you need to go. expedia ♪ prices of the season' on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort your sleep number setting. and snoring? does your be

charles murray was at first shouted down from speaking, then when the event was moved students pulled the fire alarm to prevent him from speaking. it was not dr. murray, but the students who falsely yelled "fire" in a crowded theater. burgddle ve professor who moderated the debate was physically assaulted and has it to recover. it was not a mere handful of students, but a mob that engaged in such appalling conduct at a institution theoretically devoted to rationality and intellectualism. not including those who were not captured on video, the college disciplined more than 70 students. but none was expelled or even suspended. as a practical matter, students no more serious punishment than the double secret probation and film. weak punishment will not deter any future disruption. the first amendment is very clear. the supreme court decided that free speech is protected, that speech cannot be restricted based on viewpoints. that public forums must be places free speech can be exercised and that higher restraints on speeches are not favored. otherwise any speech that anyone found offensiv

us andq and a with stagger on the reaction of military college students to author charles murray in 2017. they were attacked physically after the event. on c-span this week in primetime, tonight at 8:00 eastern, a debate on the first amendment and hate speech. >> it is important for students to learn to defend their ideas and criticize people and so forth, but an important part the university teaches is civility. it's not that we need to be able to defend your ideas. i defend them in a way that doesn't offend other people, make them angry. when people get angry at each other, they become unable to have the sorts of debates that we value. >> thursday at 8:00 p.m. eastern, celebrity activists on modern slavery, military caregivers, and early childhood education. their babies in front of a television and i have seen over and over again across this country. goes tochild quietly sleep inside their mind. >> friday, walt mossberg on tech sector trends. >> think of it as the starship enterprise sort of goal. existss a computer that in the starship. it understands your idioms. you can have a conv

and second the mainstream reception for charles murray book which is also a work of vulgar crackpot pseudoscience but treated as if it was legitimate. and also with those ideas going back to the extent from other anthropologist that were pushing back against it. it is frustrating that it is coming through again, . >> yes. like a bad penny that keeps coming back, yes. you make an eloquent statement. we shall overcome. >> you haven't said anything about the klan in the south end intimidation talking about the african-american people and specifically i am aware there was a big effort of the naacp of the 20's and '30's to get a federal law against lynching but it never succeeded in i am wondering if the klan oppose said or lobbied against it?. >> absolutely yes. franklin roosevelt would never put his support behind the anti-lynching bill. as someone said earlier he absolutely the eve neil he needed the votes of those seven democrats. plus he also had the luxury to you as eleanor roosevelt to somehow a peas the people who were more into racist. >> so yes violence in the south takes a look how big a pa

the state if you have enough power to do that and close them down as happened, for example, to charles murray at the university of michigan and other conservatives. i mean, this is nothing personal, i don't think this is personally. so what happens was beginning in the 1970's, the left saw the universities, instruments of their revolutionary designs and so the fist thing they did was begin a purge of conservatives from faculties by not hiring them basically so that today on mostm college campuses conservatives are as rare as unicorns. they then c -- they personalled conservative books from the required reading list, average student goes 4 years of a college and never encountered a conservative adult or read a book byre a conservative who hasn't been dead for a hundred years. the next thing they did was to purged conservative ideas from the curriculum and they did that by inventing what they called studies, american studies, black studies, womenti studies, these are all political fields, they're not scholarly fields, it's about learning left-wing politician. you couldn't be a conservative and

when you have people like charles murray writing book like charle coming apart for having poor moralreading. it seems to me the christian right god is not jesus. there is an entrepreneur type who epitomizes the kind of petty bourgeois mentality. i was wondering -- >> we will start with cornell west and robert george.nd >> when you talk about the christianwh right,. >> the variety of different voices, the american right as a whole has a deep suspicion of government playing a fundamental role in lives of everyday people that they can easily over look the ways in which government interventions into the lives of everyday people can be empowering as opposed to authoritarian and repressive. we have to keep track of the repressive effects of the government intervening but when you look to norway andf finland in other places, government can play a very important role to enhance liberty and well-being. the christian right suffers from a and the secular right can suffer from it. the judaic right, the buddhist right, the hindu right and so forth and so on. i had great fun writing that book and

if you have enough power to do that, or you just close them down as happened, for example, to charles murray and the university of michigan and other conservatives. i mean, this is nothing personal. i don't take this at all personally. so what happened was with beginning in the 1970s the left saw the universities as instruments of their revolutionary designs. and so the first thing they did was begin a purge of conservatives there faculties by not hiring them, basically. so that today on most college campuses conservatives are as rare as unicorns. they then purged conservative books from their required reading lists. a normal, an average student can go through four years of a college in our country today, never encounter a conservative adult or read a book by a conservative who hasn't been dead for a hundred years. the next thing they did was to purge conservative ideas from the curriculum. and they did that by inventing what they called studies, american studies, black studies, women's studies. these are all political fields. they're not scholarly fields, but they're about learning left-win

been catching hell now for the last 40li some years in this country and when you people like charles murraybooks like coming apart and attacking the poor and working-class for having poor moral fiber andnd you have somee like speaker paul ryan who claims to be a question and makes required reading i iran out list shrug means the question right god is not jesus but their god is a kind of nietzsche, entrepreneur type who epitomizes the kind of petty walk mentality and could you expand. >> host: we will start with cornel west and then robert george. >> guest: no, brother sean was on fire and laid it out there. when you talk about the christian right certainly there is such a thing that danger with hatred and the contempt that we see too often but it's not homogeneous either. there's a variety of different voices there. the case thate is it's not justt a question right the american right as a whole has suchnm a deep suspicion of government playing a fundamental role in the lives of everyday people that they can easily overlook theai ways in which government intervention to the lives of everyday

on the other hand, if somebody wants to come and discuss, as did charles maria middle very -- murray at middlebury, discuss the bell curve and is suited down and denied the right to discuss an intellectual point of view, i don't see anything wrong with that even though i may or may not agree. who wants to tell me how to draw the line? mr. wood: i think personally, where the line needs to be drawn is when there is a threat made. if the language that is being used in the expression of a particular viewpoint crosses the line of being a threat, that is when i think -- i think personally, i try to consider intellectual value. if i invite a speaker, i think there has to be some intellectual value. which is to say, i have to believe this beaker is -- speaker is interested in contributing to public discourse and adding their opinion as a part of the conversation with a particular issue. >> from an intellectual point of view? >> i would say there are two different questions here. i think mr. wood has put it exactly right for what a student group would do well to use as a standard. as a former

>> charles murray is fine. he's an academic that uses academic reasoning. i might disagree with him, but i would want him to be allowed. i'm not sure whether you can articulate a rule. i agree, the impetus traders need discretion. administrators need discretion. i would say something like, if you believe the speaker has nothing of value to say -- you of value tonothing say based on the standards universities use to value education and collegiality. universities make these judgments all the time. they have to. and they should make the same sort of judgments when evaluating speakers. i do agree. the standard should be nothing to do about politics. it should go more to the method the speaker uses. in thee is evidence past. there are procedural standards that could be used to evaluate potential speakers.. >> great. that's an excellent closing argument for your side. you are doing a public universities should be led to restrict speakers if they have nothing of value to say. ladies and gentlemen, it is up to you, having heard this sophisticated and nuanced talk t

when you have people like charles murray writing books like coming apart attacking the poor and workingr and you have someone like speaker paul ryan who claims to be a christian, he makes required reading ayn rand's atlas shrugged. it seems to me the christian right's god is not jesus, their god is a kind of nietzschean ayn rand type. could you -- >> host: all right. sean, we're going to start with cornel west and then robert george. >> guest: no, no, brother sean, boy, he was on fire. he's laying it out there. again, i think when you talk about the christian right, certainly, there's a lot of danger in terms of the hatred there, the contempt that we see too often, but it's not homogeneous. there's a variety of different voices there. certainly, it's the case that not just the christian right, but the american right as a whole has such a deep suspicion of government playing a fundamental role in the lives of everyday people that they can easily overlook the ways in which government intervention into the lives of everyday people can be profoundly empowering as opposed to simply authorita

>> charles murray is fine. demic, but iiva would want him to be allowed i am not sure -- allowed. i am not sure if you could articulate a rule. administrators need discretion. so i accept the words of people who think that discretion might be abused. i would say something like if you believed that the speaker has nothing of value to say, you know, has nothing of value to state based on the standards the universities use to thyroid tion,arship and educatt and collegiality, they should make the same sort of judgments when they are evaluating speakers. i agree that the standards should have nothing to do about politics. be --uld not the -- -- a the speaker should not be allowed to say something that anybody disagrees with. it should be the method, whether the speaker has shown if he or she is willing to answer questions in a good-faith way, there are procedural standards that could be used to evaluate potential speakers. mr. rosen: great. that is an excellent closing, because you were arguing that public universities should be able to reject speakers if they believe they have nothing

look at book coming apart by charles murray, what he said son son -- social logically there is a dividene enough to bring in people from all walks of life, especially rural americans into the fold and have voices heard. david: talk about the fights in the republican party, certainlyç exists, there is a question what the democratic party is now. bernie sanders and president exchanging, excuse me, email fights over the texts. if bernie sanders a socialist is now the flag holder for what the democrats think about taxation, i think they got a problem. one, he is a socialist. and two, he is pretty old. >> you're exactly right. and i think that bernie sanders was more of a natural kind of coronation for a barack obama world view versus clinton world view. there is no secret there was bad blood between clinton and obama leading into 08. bernie is more of the natural ally. if you look how you are going to win and how the republicans won in '16 it was not getting hard left. it is about, also using identity politics. that is something that really troubles me. just as an american to say that there

poor and working-class children and families that are now catching hell over the last 40 years charles murrayg the poor working class for poor moral fiber or speaker ryan who claims to be a christian he makes required reading alice sherlund their bosses it is the i grant - - that epitomizes is that bush rob mentality. >> he was on fire and he was layingng it out there. talking about the christian right certainly there is a lot of danger with the contempt that we do see too often that is not homogeneous see there. but certainly not just then christian right but the american right as a whole has a deep suspicion of government to play a fundamental rule that they could easily overlook the way of government intervention to simply be authoritarian we have to keep track of the government intervening billeting norway and finland even beloved canada just north of the border that plays a very important role to be in the hands of others party that is the question of perception and the christian right's suffers from a vent the judaic right the hindu and buddhist but i had great fun writing that book int

charles murray was actually violently attacked. >> he was. there was a professor attacked as well.nts to handle. i went to middle bury and try to find out what happened to these students. none of them punished. reprimanded at first and let go. brian: berkeley has the riots over there cabot phillips hopefully more normal year on campus but i doubt it all right, cabot, thank you. >> thank you. brian: still ahead com woman diane black and dan bongino coming your way. plus. leland: it was a very merry christmas for one vietnam vet he just spent it with a daughter he never knew he had. that incredible story and you can see the reunion when they both join us next hour ♪ when i'm wiser and i'm older ♪ all those times i was finding myself ♪ i didn't know . . . . liberty mutual saved us almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. with liberty, we could afford a real babysitter instead of your brother. >>hey. oh, that's my robe. >>is it? when you switch to liberty mutual, you could save $782 on auto and home insurance and still get great coverage for you and your family. call f

another one here charles murray a famous conservative writer.y college and give a speech and was shut down. >> shock ily, it did not go well trying to bring conservative ideas to middleburg college. these students rioted. there was a liberal professor trying to escort him to the speech. and they were attacked. the professor spent a month. i actually went to middle bury to talk to the administrator about what happened. none of the students were held account being or reprimanded for those actions. also, they have a new policy where any speaker who comes have to get approval. if they are too controversial they are not allowed. rachel: finally we have berkeley riots with myelo i didn't know annapolis. i spoke at burkly defend free speech if we are going to make campus alberto. >> escorting college presidents to the bathroom and choosing our own grade. cabot, well done. see new 2018. >> thank you so much. pete: we flow the president has been fighting fake news. we have more on that coming up next. ♪ hey, tom. you should try right at home. they're gre