it's -- we have charles pinkney who was 29.lexander hamilton, 30, edmund randall mary: you are missing -- randolph, 34. and george mason, 62. mary: you are missing franklin who was in his early 80's. so madison. george mason and benjamin franklin had been the movers and shakers at the time of the revolution. and george mason had the well-known out of virginia for having drafted the virginia bill of rights and very important. madison was ok. ben franklin drives him crazy and he is in his 80's. madison's competitors a little bit at the convention, the people he has captivated is that younger group. charles drove him crazy. as i read the notes there's a , lot of competitive desire for credit, a little jealousy with charles pinkney. writes this letter and puts you he writes -- he writes this wonderful letter. it put you back in that moment. he had enormous handwriting and writes madison and croge how he -- and crowing how he is married and joint -- enjoying married life and big dig toward medicine. but of course you are not married

pinkney e have charles who was 29. mary: missing franklin who was in his early 80's. so madison. george mason and benjamin franklin had been the movers and shakers and george mason had the well-known out of virginia for having drafted the virginia bill of rights and very important. madison was ok. benk franklin drives him crazy and he is in his 80's. madison competitors a little bit at the convention, the people he has captivated is that younger group. charles drove him crazy. there's a lot of competitive desire for credit, a little jealousy with pinky. and pinky writes this letter and puts you back in this moment. he had enormous handwriting and writes madison and croge how he is enjoying married life and of course i are not married yet. and he and madison were quite competitive. brian: you mentioned in your book, kitty, somebody, he was pursuing at the convention who was 16 years old. mary: james madison was interested in kitty floyd long before he went to the convention. she very young and he scored out the letters where he talks about her. a lot of the people have focused on