i want to go back to charles ramsey. charles, we were just talking about what sergeant montgomery from the lapd said in that brief statement to the press, that they're still -- the young suspect is barricaded inside with an unknown number of hostages, and they're trying to figure out how to get him to surrender. so now we are several hours into this. what is going through the lapd's mind there on the ground, what are they specifically saying to this suspect to get him to come out without harming himself or others? >> i mean, these are very skilled negotiators. lapd has some of the best negotiators anywhere. so i'm very confident that they're doing everything they can to try to talk this person down, to get him to surrender peacefully, to not harm anyone else. they may have told him that the people that he shot have not died, so that he certainly doesn't think he's committed a double murder. this seems like a domestic. i don't know if he has access to a tv, he could be listening to coverage. he could be watching what's goi