>> yes, totally. >> laura coates and charles ramsey back with us now. laura, as we listen to that description i didn't feel a connection. he said at least twice that i counted i called the police on the police. i mean, those words chosen, i think, very carefully for mr. williams in terms of how he is laying out that moment and recalling that moment. >> absolutely. i mean, the idea that he had tried multiple times, and we hear him trying multiple times in the opening statement, they played the video, we had the teenager who now testified talking about what she heard, the constant and consistent imploring of these officers to show and demonstrate some humanity to render aid and he's saying, look, i couldn't -- i didn't see a human connection with the officers on the scene, and having that corroborate testimony from yesterday, where somebody else, somebody who was in law enforcement, a 911 dispatcher also seeing what she saw and deciding to bring in law enforcement in the form of a sergeant. so you're seeing as the prosecution developing different layers h

okay, charles ramsey. i want to ask you about how the defense is attempting to play this, particularly as it comes to police training. this is what his defense team said about officer chauvin -- former officer chauvin's actions. i want to get your reaction. >> derek chauvin is exactly what he had been trained to do over the course of his 19-year career. the use of force is not attractive. but it is a necessary component of policing. >> charles ramsey, you led police departments in washington and philadelphia and your experience, are police trained to apply that kind of force for that length of time? right? does that sound familiar to any training you received? >> no. the only part of his statement that is accurate is that use of force is not something that is pretty to look at that's true. but when you look at these things, i reviewed thousands, literally thousands of use of force cases in my career in the last ten years or so video is very, very common to have as part of the investigative package. when yo

back with charles ramsey, andrew mccabe and juliette.h at this point is about the motive of the individual or individuals involved in this and how much is simply, you know, dealing with witnesses, dealing with fatalities or injuries if there are any and just dealing with the crime scene itself? >> sure, so initially of course, it's about stopping the violence, right? clearly, we seem to be beyond that point with this scene so now it about kind of clearing the scene, making sure there is no more shooting and tactical teams go through that location like with a fine tooth comb and search every inch for additional people, shooters, victims that kind of thing and then you're trying to get aid to any victims who need to be, you know, seek medical attention, that sort of thing and then you start thinking about processing that crime scene. so you are really a good ways away from really digging in on a thorough investigation of the shooter or shooters involved, and so over the days that follow, i suspect most of our conversations will be about ju

charles ramsey, you heard the line of questioning to the off duty emt genevieve hansen.defense and the prosecution, what do you make of the line of questioning there? >> the defense, he just asked the one question which i thought it was going to go longer than that. the prosecution, just to clear up some of the things that were mentioned yesterday. it was really quick. i don't think it added much to what's already been heard. >> the simplest answer, the prosecution asked genevieve hansen, do you believe he, floyd, needed immediate medical attention, answered yes. as we're seeing the next witness being sworn in. laura coates, your reaction? might just have a quick moment to answer. >> well, remember, you said, course correction. you saw it there. they didn't continue on the same path they did yesterday trying to get under her skin or go forward. they decided to essentially cut the line and go on to the next person. i think they've assessed what they can get from her as a witness and as a cross. you'll see them move rapidly if there's repetitive testimony or redundancy tha

joining us to discuss, charles ramsey, d.c. police chief and philadelphia police commissioner.nks for joining us. >> thank you. >> there's a black officer who laid down his life in the face of hundreds of people, violently attacking the capitol. we heard a sitting republican senator, ron johnson, somehow say those attackers were patriotic americans, but listen to the distinction he made, and i want to get your reaction to that. what meaning are in those words. have a listen. >> i knew those were people that loved this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break the law. so i wasn't concerned. have the tables been turned and president trump won the election and those were tens of thousands of black lives matter and antifa protesters, i might have been a little concerned. >> so racist attackers calling black police officers the "n" word, attacking with deadly force. just fine. blm protesters would have been a threat. what do those words mean to you? >> well, senator johnson clearly is part of the problem. those comments were racist. if you ask hi

also, as charles ramsey pointed out, you're talking about a human being who was walking around. maybe he handed a $20 counterfeit bill, maybe he was high. is that a death sentence by an officer with a knee to the neck? those jurors are thinking about that in this moment. >> in addition to the customers coming and going and minding their own business and didn't seem to be distracted at all, but there were a number of store employees as well, and i would imagine that they have experiences with many people coming and going and what to look out for and become apprehensive about. you see many of them having side conversations, very relaxed. it didn't seem as though they had been alarmed by what they witnessed from george floyd. >> if he hadn't tried to pass that $20 bill, the police never would have been called. i would bet that there have been times when cup foods has had to call the police for a disturbance inside the store, that is not unusual, because of the behavior of an individual. that would not have happened in this case based on what you see in that video. the reason the po

. >>> with us, laura coates, cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor and charles ramsey. he led police departments in philadelphia and washington, d.c. thanks to both of you. chief ramsey, i want to start with you because the defense is taking aim at the crowd here, calling them both a distraction to the police here. therefore, perhaps responsible for, or partially responsible for the fact that they couldn't give attention to george floyd, but also even dangerous. it's remarkable argument to make given the cops are armed, right, and by the way, they have a man face down on the pavement there. but given your training, your experience, do you find this line of questioning, this line of argument at all credible? >> no, i don't. and you have video to back it up that actually shows the actions of the crowd. you can hear the audio. some of the names that were called, believe me, i've heard a whole lot worse than that over the course of my career. and i've seen hostile crowds, real hostile crowds. and that would not qualify to be considered hostile in my opinion. as far as distr

andrew mccabe, charles ramsey, and juliette kayyem. in terms of what happens next, again, they have it, what they call a person of interest in custody. seems pretty clear that is the suspect. they said it's the only person who was -- that they know was injured other than those who were killed. and that person is now in custody. what happens, what is the process for that person tonight and tomorrow? >> well, for that person, obviously, he will resolve his medical treatment issue, however he's being treated there, and then he'll be taken into custody. he'll be processed, which means that -- an opportunity to speak. he of course doesn't have to speak if he invokes his right to counsel, he won't be questioned about the events or why he did it or what his motive is. and then he will likely be presented before a judge tomorrow and charged with this crime or some portion of the crimes that were committed at the grocery store. meanwhile, at that scene, they are beginning a horrific and intensive crime scene processing that will likely take --

charles ramsey is a cnn law enforcement analyst and former d.c. police chief. josh, let me begin with you on what william walker is going to tell senators under oath today and what mark millie, the chairman of the joint chiefs said which is that the pentagon acted as quickly as possible in terms of responding to the capitol. walker is saying, no, we waited three hours and 19 minutes to get the green light. >> obviously. this discrepancy is important, because there was a question after we saw for ourselves what was happening at the united states capitol. there was questions about whether reenforcements would come in. there was radio silence from officials in the immediate aftermath of the attack where we, journalists, the public, lawmakers, were trying to discern what exactly happened and what was the tick tock, the time order of events when that request went out and when it was actually approved. there's been this lingering question, was there some kind of delay perhaps driven by the white house that may have been political in nature? that is why we're trying t

let me bring in former philadelphia police commissioner cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey. you've led so many brave men and women like officer talley. we know he lost his life, the only named victim so far. >> very tragic. leaving behind seven children, a wife, extended family. you know, it's sad. and it's going to become even sadder once we learn the identities of the other victims because they all had families as well. and so that's a loss that just can't be made up at all. that's a hole that will be in their hearts forever. and that's the tragedy of things like this when they do occur. but the officer did what he was trained to do. i mean, you go to the scene. you respond. and you go in. i mean, we learn that lesson from columbine. you cannot wait for s.w.a.t. teams. i don't know if he was shot inside or outside, but he did what he was trained to do. >> you run toward what almost everyone else would run away from. can you speak to what is the grueling task that they have gone through now and continue to go through, which is the gathering of evidence. >> well, it's going

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charles ramsey, i'm going to bring you in now. multiple crime scenes and jurisdictions.th the investigation and they do now have that suspect in custody, which we had up on the screen there just a short while ago. there he is right there. so they should be able to sort out a motive and whether -- and how these incidents are connected. correct? >> well, they will find a motive, no doubt about that, they will be executing search warrants. they have to get a search warrant for his vehicle, wherever he's living. they'll go through his computer, social media. and so forth. and i'm sure they'll probably determine a motive. hopefully a firearm was recovered in that vehicle because a ballistics check would definitely put him as the shooter in all three cases. so there's still a lot of work that has to be done in this case. >> let's talk here, charles. you have at least four of the people killed there, asian women. listen. we don't want to get ahead of the investigation here, but how will police determine if any of these crimes were motivated by anti-asian bias at a time when the

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joining us is charles ramsey and paul kal han. paul, you were a defense attorney.f you were representing former officer derek chauvin, how would you get the jury to unsee those 9:29 that just seeing it again yesterday was so gutting is the only word i had to think of. i had to turn away watching it just at home the jurors can't turn away. >> you know, alisyn, that's really i think sums up why the defense case is so difficult in this case. this may be the most filmed killing of a human being in the history of trials. the prosecutor opened with an unemotional but very factual and moving opening statement. and he really put his emphasis on where his case is and that is the film. we saw that painful, painful bystander video of derek chauvin with his knee on a prone george floyd who is pleading and pleading for help. but the thing i think was most impressive of the prosecution and then the defense response was that the prosecutor, he talked about -- and i think we saw that there was an indifference, a callous contempt expressed by chauvin, the defendant in the case, in

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i have elie honig and commissioner charles ramsey standing by, because a couple more questions in thiserek chauvin trial before everyone heads back into the courtroom after their bunch break. two things. commissioner ramsey, to you. i know that at some point in this trial, the minneapolis police chief will be testifying, and he is being called to testify essentially against one of his own, derek chauvin, obviously no longer a police officer but still. and just as a former officer yourself, if this were one of your former officers, how do you even begin to prepare yourself for having to testify? >> well, you just tell the truth. i've had to testify against my officers in the past that i have fired. you just go in and just answer the questions. i mean, i've never done anything as high-profile as this, but clearly, he'll probably be asked to focus on policy and on training, those two areas. it will probably be where most of the questioning will occur as far as the chief is concerned. >> and what about, elie, former officer chauvin? is there any chance he takes the stand? >> it's very, ver

joining us now senior cnn law enforcement, mccabe and charles ramsey.art with you. the investigation, what is most important? we're expecting to hear in a couple hours from law enforcement what's the most important unknown at this point? >> john, that's a tough one. there's a lot of unknowns at this point. obviously the boulder p.d. along with assistance from any number of different law enforcement agencies to include the fbi are going through that crime scene very, very carefully right now to collect any and all forensic evidence necessary to build this case. at the same time, a group of investigators should be really diving deep into the background of this shooter, whose identity has not been released yet, but certainly law enforcement knows who he is. they should be looking likely looking to execute search warrants at his residence, maybe his vehicle and place of work and talking to family knmembers and known associates and social media and if he has any they'll look at his browsing history or anything he's written, just to try to see if we can find

bring back our cnn contributors, laura coates and chief charles ramsey.t with the point omar just closed with there. to the floyd family, to those who kneeled down outside, to many watching around the united states, this is about more, more, it begins, of course, with the tragic unnecessary death of one man but it's about trying to see will finally justice be served, will finally a white police officer be convicted for something that your own eyes tell you was beyond the pail? that is a national conversation, that is a global conversation but the prosecutor, mr. blackwell, out of the bat tried to convince the jury, don't think about that, this is about one thing. listen. >> this case is not about all police, this case is about mr. derek chauvin and not about any of those men and women and it's not about all policing, at all. this case is not about split second decision-making, in 9:29, there are 479 seconds, not a split second among them. that's what this case is about. >> again we will watch as this plays out, both sides competing with each other -- i'm

former federal prosecutor lara coates, former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey. good evening to you both. laura, really powerful testimony, some of the most powerful from witnesses, minors, a nine-year-old girl having to watch this unfold and relive it. teenager who took the video, seeing her family in george floyd. i know this hit you as mom. what impact do you think this will have on the case? >> absolutely did. idea you have children watching this, don, as mother you send your child out hoping they'll bring back snacks and instead bring back memory of having witnessed a murder in this tortured state. having this young girl have the wherewithal to shoo her cousin inside, and then to take that video that everyone saw as you talked about last hour, what could have been had we not seen it. but what was so poignant, her statement, i've stayed up nights apologizing to george floyd for not being able to save your life. but it's not what i should have been done, it's what he should have done, directing thoughts to the police officer, the defendant. it was powerful, an

our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is with us, charles ramsey, former washington police chief and former philadelphia police commissioner is with us and analyst juliette kayem. your reporting on possible plots against the u.s. capitol complex tomorrow, march 4th. clearly, lawmakers are deeply worried about that. what more can you tell us about this threat? >> it escalated. it'st started as chatter, discussions on social media targeting the capitol tomorrow on this date, march 4th, which as you've discussed, some conspiracy theorists believe for some reason president trump will -- former president trump will become president again, but overnight this developed into something more serious. intelligence, they said, dhs and others, of a possible plot as well connected to that chatter. they're not taking this lightly. they're taking it very seriously as a result of it, the posture of the national guard force here in d.c. raised from today through march 6th, even a couple of days after that march 4th date. and it shows, wolf, one, that the threat is still out there, that these

let me bring in former police commissioner charles ramsey. as you're listening to all of this, and as the prosecutor said, she's calling the police on the police, what do you make of her testimony? >> well, i still early in her testimony, but i agree that right now, they're just trying to chip away at what the prosecution did. but clearly she saw something she recognized as not being standard. and she did the right thing, by contacting a supervisor and making them aware of what it is she was observing. >> the cross has resumed. let's listen back in. thanks, guys. >> the arrival time of ems is 8:28.36. am i reading that correct? so, 8:28.36, ems arrives, correct? >> correct. >> and ems didn't stay on scene, right? >> no. >> they left. and they indicated they went to 36th and park, right? >> correct. >> and they didn't go to 36th and park, did they? >> ems? that's -- that's where i believe they were. >> okay. so to your belief, they went to 36th and park because that's what they called out, correct? >> correct. >> do you recall fire having trou

. >>> joining me now is cnn law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey. he has led police departments in d.c. and philadelphia and served as cochair on obama's task force of 21st century policing. let's talk about what we just heard from brian that the body cam was not turned on for one of these officers. in this day and age, is there any reasonable explanation for that? >> well, i mean, there's no excuse for it. the officer didn't turn it on for whatever reason. if it was a malfunction in the camera itself, that's a different story. i am sure the chief will deal with that, because clearly, if you are wearing a body camera, if you don't turn on it, what good is it. this would have been vital in terms of trying to determine exactly what took place at the time of the shooting. >> how can a community have trust that wrongs weren't committed by officers if routinely body cams are not activated. >> i mean, it does make it difficult. there's no question about that. i don't know if it's routine that they don't do it. i know for a fact that they are working on te

police chief charles ramsey. so good to have both of you on. i'm going to start with you, andrew.he house is cancelling the session because of the potential plot to breach the capitol. we are told there is concerning intelligence, and that's a quote, about the new -- the next few days, i should say. how do you assess the threat level? >> well, don, i think what you're seeing here is a very understandable kind of re-calibration of the law enforcement community to what they are hearing in publicly available chatter in social media groups, things like that. a lot of criticism about how they handled some of that same sort of chatter leading up to the january 6th riot, and i think what you're seeing now is an over abundance of caution. folks are taking that sort of information very seriously. they're passing it along to congressional leadership, and everybody is taking the sort of precautions that had we done that on january 6 or on january 5th, we may have been in a much better situation. so i think it's a responsible way to handle this information. >> andrew, you still have republica

. >>> asked cnn law enforcement charles ramsey of the officer of virginia beach not turning on his bodyere is part of our discussion. >> there is no excuse for it. if it was a malfunction in the camera itself that's a different story. but, i am sure that the chief will deal with that because che clearly if you are wearing a body camera and you don't turn it on, what good is it? this is vital trying to determine what took place and the time and the shooting. >> how could the committee not trusted that wrongs were not committed by the officers that if bod cams were not activated. >> i don't know if it is routine if they don't do it. i know they're working on technologies but companies make these devices, exxon being one would automatically turn it on the minute you get out of the car, for example. some of those things are not in place yet. there is work that needs to be done in terms of technologies. it is not a question of an officer hitting a button that in the middle of a high stressed situation you can simply forget to do. i am not going to make my excuses more him. he should have had

elie and charles ramsey are with with me.year-old whose voice i just heard. a couple of notes i jotted down. so, she pulls up at the cup foods where all of this is happening with officer chauvin and george floyd. she hears george floyd yelling for his mother, hearing him say, i can't breathe. she gets out of the car. she has a sense it feels serious, is what she said. saw officer chauvin's knee on george floyd neck. at one point she testifies she sees officer chauvin, while the knee is on the neck, going for his mace because the crowd has formed around the scene and she testified that he was shaking it at us, she said. i was scared of chauvin. and then the other note i have from her, the paramedics arrived and finally that's when officer chauvin got up off george floyd and she said george floyd looked purple, not getting enough circulation. looked really limp. what did you think of her testimony? also, why was she not cross-examined, do you think? >> let me start with the second part of that. what we saw at the end there was

with us now a prosecutor and police kmiv never charles ramsey. great to see you both, gentlemen.ate crime, many of the victims were asian women as i just said. what conversations are likely happening behind the scenes right now to determine any additional charges and what kind of investigation this should be? >> i think they're probably, of course, looking at computer records, social media, and the like, and i actually have to say that i really disagree that there's not enough evidence right now to charge a hate crime because the georgia statute, which i think the prosecutors need to take a look at say that it's either going to be based on account of sex or on race, and eight of the murder victims are women, and six of them are asians. so i think you've got that probable cause there right now, and more evidence is great of lots of things including more motive, but it's really strategically helpful to charge the hate crime because to show that motive as the chief knows, there's a lot of evidence that might otherwise not be admissible you can bring in to show that motive. >> what d

joining me now, charles ramsey and chief ramsey, look, obviously the question this morning, was this racially motivated? the "atlanta journal constitution" reports six out of the eight victims were asian. we know there's a rise in anti-asian hate crime across the country. how will you go about proving the motive? what is the investigation doing right now? >> obviously, they're probably leaning in that direction but they're combing through evidence. they'll look at his social media. i'm sure they probably already have search warrants for the vehicle, wherever he lives. look for evidence that will verify that he had a hatred towards asian-americans and once they come up with that, then they'll officially declare a motive. but until then, they're going to be reluctant to do that. they're not going to speculate on that at all. >> you know, henry as we're look at what we do know at this hour and as we heard from ryan we are expecting hopefully a press conference this morning, is there anything that has changed overnight in terms of what we're learning because i have to say it is remarkabl

even if there's a moment where force was necessary and it was reasonable, as charles ramsey has spoken about and proportional, even if that's all true, at some point once somebody is unconscious and does not have a pulse and is not breathing, they no longer represent any type of a force. remembering the opening statements of the prosecutor, they laid out the time and told you how much longer then-officer derek chauvin remained there, and you heard the different witnesses saying, look, he's not breathing, and the firefighter saying show me now he has a pulse, and you have children begging and wondering why he's doing it, and the defense has been the police officers in their minds were snowflakes in some respect and could not tolerate being called a become in reaction to witnessing a murder, and it's not enough to remove that lingering question, erica, why did you continue to use deadly force once the person was no longer responsive, no longer posing any threat whatsoever. if they can't answer that question, i have an element proven to more than one charge in this case. >> you bring up t

i want to bring in now former federal prosecutor laura kocoat and charles ramsey. laura, it was really powerful testimony today, some coming from minors, a 9-year-old girl. the teenager who took the video, seeing her family in george floyd. i know this really hit you as a mom. what kind of an impact do you think this is going to have on the case? >> i mean it absolutely did. the idea that you've got children who are watching this, don. the idea that as a mother, you send your child out hoping they're going to bring back snacks as their plan, and instead they bring back the memory of having witnessed a murder in this tortured state. and having this young girl have the wherewithal to, on the one hand, shoo her younger 8-year-old cousin inside and then having the wherewithal to take that video that eventually went viral and everyone saw. what i thought was so poignant was her statement when she said, i have stayed up nights apologizing to george floyd for not being able to save your life. but it's not what i should have done. it's what he should have done, directing h

. >>> now let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and veteran police chief charles ramsey along with cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor laura coates. laura, the suspect has been charged with ten counts of first degree murder. how serious is that charge and could more charges be added? do you expect that? >> these are by far the most serious charges at a state level. you have the idea of up to life in prison. just last year colorado abolished the death penalty so that's not on the table, but i absolutely believe there will be more charges coming depending on how many shots were fired, the ideas of whether there are attempted murder cases as well. this is a first degree premeditated murder charge and ten of them, meaning this was thought to be in advance, it wasn't reactionary or self-defense. it was premeditated. this is a very serious charge. but it's so early in the investigation, if there are not more charges coming out of this, i'd be astounded. >> police say they don't know what the motive is. we don't know if the suspect is talking to investigators now. how c

i want to bring in charles ramsey to get an idea from you, charles, what police are looking for right now? what would be going on with the investigators we see there on the ground? >> well, i can't see the video feed that you were showing earlier, but right now apparently, just based on what your reporter said on air, they're still securing the scene. they're going through it. just as phil mentioned, they have to search every inch of it to make sure they have no more shooters on the premises and also checking the parking lot and so forth, securing it so they can get aid to anyone who's wounded or injured. all those things will be taking place before you have anything in terms of any real information coming from the scene. they may give some preliminary information, but it won't be much. it will be pretty sketchy at this point in time. these scenes are very chaotic in the early stages. so it's got to settle down. number one is clear the scene, make sure you eliminate whatever threat may be there and that that building is totally secure. >> as we're listening to you, we're getting a lit

cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey is joining us, former washington, d.c. police chief, former philadelphia police commissioner. chief ramsey, this is a detailed new look at this suspect's movement, this new video that the fbi has released. what stands out to you, from what you're seeing? >> it's very good video, far better than the still photos that we saw prior to this. you can tell the way the person walks. perhaps that's a clue for someone who might know that individual. they have close-up shots of the clothing, the shoes and so forth. and also the timing. an individual walking their dog who may remember, yeah, that's me. i was walking the dog. i did see somebody. i don't know if they paid attention to them or not. certainly the fbi right now is still trying to identify a suspect. they're hoping putting that video out, coupled with a $100,000 reward will get someone to come forward. >> the suspect, you know, jon jonathan, clearly has a hoodie on, mask on. do you see anything in this video that potentially could lead to a breakthrough? >> well, listen, i

cnn analyst laura coats and cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and former top cop in philly and d.c. and cnn legal analyst mark ome omer omerra. he said he called 911 quote because i believed i witnessed a murder. how much does testimony like that help the prosecution and influence jurors in their decision? >> it helps tremendously. particularly because it's corroborating other testimony. it not just his own gut instinct. it's not just what he perceived but builds upon what other witnesses are testifying and builds upon what was viewed in the videotape which you actually speak about is really the star witness here. it builds on the 911 dispatcher. it builds off of, again, the firefighter who testified along with the four underaged teenagers who were speaking about this very issue and that cumulation of evidence, that cumulation of weight is extraordinarily credible when he saw no human connection with the officers on scene and called 911 to help. >> mark, you've been on the other side in the courtroom on the defense, and i wonder picture if you could picture yourself there in th

. >> charles ramsey, chief, i want your reaction. you and i were speaking yesterday waiting to see the police officer body cam footage. i want to know everything you thought as you watched that. >> well, you know, videos are hard to watch, especially when you know what the outcome is going to be. it's like you're reliving it all over again. you can see where he's not getting in the car, he's saying he's claustrophobic. he's a big guy, and trying to put him in the cage car, even it's an suv, there's not a lot of legroom. it's not initial to go around to the other side to pull him in, but once they got him in, i'm not sure why they pulled him out. i don't know what the rationale was. obviously floyd was struggling, saying he wouldn't breathe and so forth. there was some kicking of the legs initially, so one of the officers was securing his legs, but again, just because the force initially was -- could have been justified, getting him in the car, controlling his legs, it doesn't mean the same level of forbes is justified minutes later o

joining me is cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey, former police chief in d.c.ef, what's the most important thing you heard in this briefing? what's your take? >> there's a lot that came out of this briefing. before i get into this, let me acknowledge the terrific work of the cherokee coinity sheriff's office. the coordination was exceptional and no doubt probably avoided many more tragedies from occurring. it looks like this is a single shooter. they did recover the gun. so a ballistics check will definitely confirm that. it's interesting that the motivation may not be a hate crime. they still don't know for sure, but apparently he has some kind of sexual addiction and he associates massage parlors with that addiction, and he was trying to take out the source of what he considered to be his addiction for whatever reason. >> motive, obviously, is something that everyone was asking about and wants to know about. they're leaning away from it being racially motivated, is what it appears. they're very careful to say it is too early on. they do continue their investi

. >> elie, charles ramsey, i know you're back with me.s was -- they just played the body cam footage from the police officers, which was just beyond compelling disturbing, which led to this grown man breaking down on the witness stand. elie to you, just this theme of the trauma for the eyewitnesss who have literally seen a man die and are reliving it in this trial. how will that sit with the jurors? >> it's a great question, brooke. you said the exact right word, trauma. when we watch dramas on tv, we're getting a stylized view of what a trial is. now we're seeing what trial is all about. it's real human beings, raw human emotion. specifically in murder trials. our website, cnn.com has had up information on where to call for help if you've been traumatized because you've been watching this trial. imagine the people who are actually there. you have to be thinking about the jurors as well because jurors, again, we're not seeing them so it's hard to put a face to them, but they are human beings sitting just feet away from these witnesses. we

let's a talk more with cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey. he was commissioner of philadelphia police and former chief of the d.c. metropolitan police department, and we have cnn legal analyst ariva martin with us. the suspect passed a background check. what's your reaction to learning that? >> well, i mean, i'm not surprised that, you know, that took place, they're talking about him perhaps having mental illness, but, you know, our gun laws are so lax, and i don't believe he had a prior record that was on file so passing a background check. but that doesn't mean he should have been in possession of a firearm. and that's why we really have to take a look at gun laws. the process that's used during purchasing, the waiting period, all those kinds of things before we start, you know, providing guns to individuals who perhaps may not need to have them. >> ariva, this not having a motive, does that matter? i wonder, i think, you know, it seems like we will fixate on what the motive is because people who watch this happen, and they want to know how

charles ramsey and tim clemente is back with me. >> we know eye witness video was there showing inside store and report gunshots as an eye witness describing to us like a pop, pop, pop, pop and when you look at this right now, we are about to hear this briefing. what is the most important thing for you to hear, chief? well, a couple of things, we'll get more accurate information in terms of the number of people injured, killed and hopefully that's not the case but you know it could very well be. is the shooter in custody? what other information can you give of that individual? response time will come up so that there is some kind of timeline that'll be given by the authorities as we speak. right now i think just knowing the extent of injury and deaths is tragic. right now they're probably notifying families. it is tragedy. >> tim, we know the fbi is part of this investigation, what does that tell you? >> it tells us that either they were called in by the locals for their assistance or some attributes that they have or the locals don't have or that could be anything from possibly record

chief national correspondent john king is with us, gloria borger is here and charles ramsey is joining us, former washington, d.c. police chief, former philadelphia police commissioner. director wray strongly defended the fbi's handling of this memo the night before the january 6th insurrection. did he answer why the fbi didn't raise more alarm bells just ahead of the deadly attack? >> no, i don't think he did. clearly, there was an intelligence failure on the 5th and 6th of january. what i would have liked to have heard was the fact that -- i mean, it's been almost a month now since the insurrection took place, that the fbi has since reached out to the capitol police, reached out to metropolitan police, really broke this down to figure out what went wrong and how do we fix it, so that you don't have it happen again. there is no one agency at fault here. but they need to get together and figure this out, because this isn't the last time. they'll need information sharing that leads to action taken part on one of those agencies. >> it's been almost two mons i should say. wray said -- you

our law enforcement analyst charles ramsey joins us on the phone.amsey, what do you make of what you have been watching? >> well, i mean, you have got three active crime scenes, so you've got a lot going on. it was just reported there is a person in custody, hopefully he's someone who will talk and provide more information. but with the three scenes, two jurisdictions there's an awful lot of work takes place. you've got interview witness, pull video, process the scene. i'm not a big believer in coincidence. i believe the scenes are connected. how? was it one person, a small group. could it be one person that owns all three? we don't know what the motive is yet. could be driven by hate. that's the what investigators will be focused on. butted the as of having three shootings within a short period of time, all spas all within a radius of, let's say, 60 miles happening on the same day, i mean, that's not likely to have happened. >> how -- the at this early stage in an investigation, how important is motive? is that something that becomes of interest la

let me bring in former police commissioner charles ramsey.s you're listening to all of this, and as the prosecutor said, she's calling the police on the police, what do you make of her testimony? >> well, i still early in her testimony, but i agree that right now, they're just trying to chip away at what the prosecution did. but clearly she saw something she recognized a

cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey, the former washington, d.c. police chief and former philadelphia police commissioner and former aurora, colorado police chief daniel oates. thank you both for coming on. chief ramsey, let me start with you. i want to start with what the boulder police department is dealing with right now, dealing with the loss of one of their own and while investigating arguably the most high-profile case in the country or at least one of them. how does the department manage those factors? >> well, it's a very difficult situation to be in. there's no question about that. you certainly want to pay all honors to the fallen officer. at the same time you have a job to do in terms of dealing with the mass shooting that took place. as far as the officer goes, there is protocol in place by departments. they have full honors funeral which is what you're seeing take place. there are a procession that's about to begin. that's all part of that, and it's to pay honor to that officer and the officer's family for the service and for the sacri

laura coates, cnn senior legal analyst, a former federal prosecutor and law enforcement analyst charles ramsey philadelphia police commissioner. commissioner ramsey, as we look at what we heard today, specifically these last two witnesses, we didn't see them on screen, didn't see them fully identified because of their status as minors. what did you take away from the testimony from the three different witnesses we saw today? first, of course, there were these two girls 18 and now 9. and then we also heard from don williams, the mma fighter who was testifying continuing his testimony from yesterday. >> i thought all the testimony so far today was very come peopling. the last two witnesses were particularly compelling, especially with the first one dt on redirect when the prosecutor asked, you know, how she felt, and she stated that, you know, when she saw floyd she saw her father, she saw her brother and so forth, you can hear the trauma in her voice. so it's very, very compelling. and then of course you have the youngest one, 9 years old now, i believe, but probably 8 then. she, too, was, you

. >>> joining me right now is charles ramsey, cnn law enforcement analyst and former police chief ofyou, chief. i was just looking at the da in boulder. he just said that this hearing is the beginning of a lengthy process that i anticipate will take at least a year to try to completion. this is going to be a long -- this is a long road ahead. >> it is a long road ahead but that's typical with court cases. i mean, they do not move fast through the court system. and there's still a lot of work that has to be done. they don't have a motive. there are still questions as to why there, why did he choose that store? they're carefully going through all the evidence that they have. we know now that there will more than likely be an insanity defense. part of what they're doing is trying to find evidence of pre-ma pre-planning on his part. anything that would show that his mental state was such that at the time he commit it had crime he was aware of what he was doing and he knew right from wrong and so forth. that's all part of what's taking place right now. in addition to that, of course, they

let's bring in our key contributors on this, cnn contributor laura coates and charles ramsey.t with you and what you heard in th

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