>> robinson: well, charles ravencraft, he lives down the road, and he's quite healthy. >> kroft: we foundharles ravencraft at the liberty drug store presiding over a coffee klatch of old-timers, some of whom were around when louis allen was murdered. >> charles ravencraft: people in this area, they just don't do much talking. >> kroft: for years, ravencraft was sergeant-at-arms of the mississippi legislature, and at the time of louis allen's murder, vice president of the americans for the preservation of the white race in liberty, a front group for the ku klux klan. was it around, charles? >> ravencraft: what's that? >> kroft: the klan? >> ravencraft: sure. they were here. >> kroft: were any of you guys in it? >> ravencraft: it wouldn't have been a klan if you don't tell everybody what your business was. >> kroft: ravencraft indicated that he hadn't lost much sleep over louis allen's murder, and told us he had no idea who killed him. >> ravencraft: no, i don't. he lived a lot longer than i thought he'd have lived. that's the kind of fella he was. he was a little bit overbearing. i don't t

charles kroyt timer, does he have personal contact with the evangelical movement? >> i would say not. he had friends who are serious christians certainly and catholics, but not routine contact with pastors, shaking hands with pat robinson once or twice and maybe jerry falwell but no, that wasn't his. >> host: was he a sign of petitions? >> guest: very little. he signed when endorsing nixon for the reelection that was circulated among the professor at that time at the nyu business school and i remember harvard as an undergraduate and people were outraged someone supporting nixon for the reelection and the first vote came in and i probably voted for richard nixon's reelection. >> guest: they did a poll of the harvard student body and 5% for cleaver and 3% from xm and that lucky 3% was a wise move. >> host: okay we are up with our our so we will be persuasion selected essays 1942 to 2009 by irving kristol and we've been talking with bill kristol. >> guest: thank you. .. i did a spell check to make sure i didn't have jefferson in there when i should've had johnson because the temptation was actually quite great. if somebody had told me a number of years ago already put my life that i would've written a book about andrew jo