laura: for moreow we are joined by charles shapiro.is president of the world affairs council of atlanta, thanks so much for being with us. you have analyzed protests over the years. what do you make of these? >> that is what extraordinary. this is not just in have anna but across the country. it is interesting. when you look at video clips, it is people holding up cell phones, taking video and putting it online. they are coordinating with each other and allowing you and me to see what is going on. laura: you heard president biden calling on cuba's leaders to hear their people, but is president biden continuing the policy of prident trump? >> the restrictions on economic interactions are from the trump administration which are pretty much those of the george bush administration. we will have to see what happens now. now is the time, if they weren't focusing before, they ought to be focusing on cuba. unfortunately they do not have people. assistant secretariesctually handle these issues. laura: do you think it could make a difference if

charles shapiro is presidents. the world of his counselor at length. he served as a former principal deputy assistant secretary for the western hemisphere and us ambassador to venezuela. he joins us from atlanta. charles, great talk to you again here on the news are difficult to knit to know for sure. but what's the main dynamic here that's causing all this? is it the knots? got rid of american sanctions, or is it the cuban government's reaction? or lack of a reaction to the crises that has been facing i would go with a letter, look the sanctions with the trump administration, imposed for essentially not much different from the george w bush administration. and the cuban government managed to keep the economy patched together and operating during that what's happened is this pandemic is imposed more severe embargo on the cuban him economy. and then the united states ever was possible of doing or go could have dreamed of. do tourism is not just one important cuban economy. it is the driving force acumen, economy, it is their number one, export number one