spencer's speech being denied on campus, what about trans people or people of color who were threatened directly by his presence and what about their speech against the platform speaker, in the case of charlesrray and read their statements in reply. how is we negotiate these questions? >> if you think of campus supposedly the issues is an important issue, it is telling that we've been convinced this is such an important free-speech issue, there is virtually no discourse about the prison population being a free-speech issue, the fact that tens of millions of americans are locked up and can't talk to people he free-speech issue or migrants disappear and their families can't find them, isn't that a bigger free-speech issue than charles murray talking on campus? that shows how skewed our perspective has become. we want to reclaim free-speech, it would have to be in that material way that is tied to reality. >> three more questions. >> on that last point, maybe the aspect of discourse do have some substance in empirical evidence and that helped get to the point at which we can decide what affect material speech and what is a value and that is what we are talking about, the ways the media mishand