would ever be brought to justice, charles taylor would ever be brought tojustice, but charles ssia says a fire on board caused it to explode but it's still afloat. (00v) russia's black sea navy supports its land offensives in southern ukraine — like mariupol, where russia is trying to seize control. these are pictures of the moskva before the attack — you can see it firing missiles from onboard. it's got a crew of around 500, as well as anti—ship and anti—aircraft missiles, torpedoes and guns. it's been an important part of russia's navy since the 19805. and it still is. here's vladimir putin on board a few weeks ago. let's hear from jenny hill on what we've heard from the kremlin. a fire broke out on board the moskva, which caused ammunition to catch fire and then explode. it has admitted that significant damage was done to the vessel, although, they are now saying here that the main missiles on board were not damaged. nevertheless, the russians say that the ship will be towed back to port. we're not quite sure which port, although it has been in the past, and that an investig

but the threat, for example, that the case of charles taylor who was liberian former president charged with crimes committed in neighboring sierra leone and it was after he was no longer empower that he was then brought to trial. or of course it to, to actually apprehend someone in such a leadership position is again very, very challenging. so it is not, not certain, even if someone is no longer in power, there's a change of regime that, that that person would end up the before a court such as the i c, c. and certainly it could take an very long time. it sometimes takes a long time for the justice to, to catch up with those 2 words. wanted by an international tribunal the length of time that these types of cases require certainly top of mind right now as we watch these are atrocities unfold in the ukraine, in a arrogance and a professor of public law in the united kingdom. thank you very much for your time . the united nations general assembly has voted to suspend russia from its human rights council. the resolution was brought forward by the united states and it condemned the gross an

the former liberian president charles taylor ran off to what he thought was a comfortable retirement in nigeria, is now convicted in the hague. you never know where this goes. you hope putin is learning about this because this is a way of deterring future atrocities. bucha is a city of 30,000 people. it's relatively small. but mariupol has 430,000 people. >> yes. >> what we worry about is that these kinds of atrocities are being replicated in mariupol. we know there's a siege there and indiscriminate bombardment. we don't know how russian troops on the ground are behaving and this should be notice to the kremlin to rein in those russian troops so they don't repeat these atrocities in other places where they were under occupation. >> kenneth roth, thank you so much for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> let's go nbc's ali arouzi who's live for us on the ground in lviv, ukraine. ali, we're seeing all these horrific images out of bucha. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: well, we've seen some very fierce fighting in and around kyiv in the last weeks. it finally for

>> i went after president charles taylor of liberia. he was given a safe exile within three years. we had him to justice. one should never say never and of course we're talking about two horrendous type of war crimes, bombardment of residential structures, which can be only discriminant and these more interpersonal war crimes, the horrors that we saw in bucha, of murder of old women, shooting people down on bicycles, of whole families being killed in cars and torture chambers where people are literally tortured to death. these are all war crimes and the russians' responsibility is to vet and prosecute those and if they don't investigate and prosecute those under international law you can hold the leaders responsible for the crimes as if they're the ones that did the murdering, torturing and raping. >> ambassador and general mccaffrey, hold on a moment. i want to bring in justice correspondent pete williams, who has just come back from the justice department and the merrick garland hearing. bring us up to date on what the attorney general has said. >> reporter: new charges against c

it takes a long time, but you've seen charles taylor of liberia, milosevic of serbia, they face their day in court. it takes a long time because you have the effort to build the evidence and the indictments, but you also have to have the host government that needs to turn the guy over. eventually it happens, though. >> we hear talk from time to time of kicking russia off of the security council. that'll never happen, right? >> no, it can't because the way that would happen is that the security council itself needs to recommend to the u.n. general assembly to kick a member out of the u.n. for not upholding its values. so the security council will never do that. >> never do it. >> what about the question that former ambassador james jeffrey suggested? he said obviously you'll never get a peacekeeping zone or a safe zone in ukraine if you go through the security council, but he suggested perhaps you do it going through the general assembly and set it up in a certain way. is that a possibility? >> no, because the peacekeeping missions are done under what's called chapter 7 of the u.n. cha

former liberian president charles taylor was sent off to the hague and convicted. you never know. it may be putin has his dying days in the kremlin but it may not be that. the best we can do right now is to collect the evidence, make sure these prosecutions about forward but, frankly, inform the russian people. today nationalism is making putin popular. do the russian people really want these atrocities committed in their name i hope that will put pressure on the kremlin to rein in these individuals. >> let's hope the information gets to them. it's get to go some but so many only get it from state outlets. ken and hannah, thank you for being with us today. we hope to have you back again soon. >>> and coming up next donald trump's daughter testifies before the january 6th committee. what did she say? >>> ivanka trump appeared before the january 6th committee today. three sources familiar tell nbc news it's not immediately clear what she told them, but her husband, jared kushner, gave six hours of voluntary virtual testimony last week which at least one democrat on the committee cal

it's perhaps easier in this situation than we had when we went off charles taylor milosovich becausen soldiers under putin's command. you still have to show those were russian soldiers under his command and they weren't irregulars or rogue units, and you have to trace that line of command up to him, and it requires more investigative work. the prosecutor spoke to that in the united states yesterday, and i think we americans can participate. we could join the investigative team that poland, and lithuania and ukraine have put together that they've invited other countries and the icc into. icc joined yesterday. we should join as well, and we could have our own fbi agents and others out there helping build this case as quickly as possible so that there could be high level arrest warrants issued, public arrest warrants. of course that doesn't mean you'd get the guy in custody if it's a high level russian or putin. there's a possibility that lower level individuals that are captured on the battlefield might be prosecuted by the ukrainians. we really want to take this to the top, to the peo

president charles taylor of liberia,.n. thank i should take part in that. i hope we will talk to you again. thank you . will talk to you again. thank you very much. mi; will talk to you again. thank you very much-— mikhail khodorkovsky was once the boss of the russian oil firm, yukos, and russia�*s richest man. he�*s now in exile, and a prominent critic of president putin. he says a western embargo of moscow�*s oil would deal putin a "very serious blow" which could halve the kremlin�*s revenue and impact mr putin�*s ability to continue his war in ukraine. he�*s been talking to stephen sackur on the bbc�*s hardtalk programme. in the meantime, what we see as europe discusses oil and gas, but frankly does a very little about it, what we see is some limited sanctions on the banking sector. they�*ve stopped importing coal, or at least they are promising too, and they�*ve taken measures to freeze any huge reserves of russian money in overseas banks, and they�*ve targeted oligarchs. you speak to me as a former russian oligarch.

we had that in charles taylor good's trial. there is no statute of limitations on these offenses.y you have seen countries take that position. you are seeing officials on trial in the hague even as we talk this morning so things change. the key thing right now is not necessarily to focus on what happens long-term in what court but how we build these cases in real time. we document the evidence with granularity because that is the necessary predicate for bringing any charges in any court. we will see what happens. i interviewed the lady in the milosevic trial. she said " nobody will ever charge milosevic," but i knew her statement was important. she gave it and when milosevic was charged her evidence was critical. let me -- host: let me remind our viewers they can participate. republicans, you can call in at (202) 748-8002. democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. independents, you can call (202) 748-8002. you can always text us at (202) 748-8003. we are always reading on facebook and twitter. you mentioned earlier the political act of calling someone a war criminal versus the actua

we had that in charles taylor good's trial. there is no statute of limitations on these offenses.y you have seen countries take that position. you are seeing officials on trial in the hague even as we talk this morning so things change. the key thing right now is not necessarily to focus on what happens long-term in what court but how we build these cases in real time. we document the evidence with granularity because that is the necessary predicate for bringing any charges in any court. we will see what happens. i interviewed the lady in the milosevic trial. she said " nobody will ever charge milosevic," but i knew her statement was important. she gave it and when milosevic was charged her evidence was critical. let me -- host: let me remind our viewers they can participate. republicans, you can call in at (202) 748-8002. democrats, your line is (202) 748-8000. independents, you can call (202) 748-8002. you can always text us at (202) 748-8003. we are always reading on facebook and twitter. you mentioned earlier the political act of calling someone a war criminal versus the actua

david crane testified at the hearing, and he was the special prosecutor for sierra leone the put charles taylor behind bars for 15 years, and says there is another route available to us. that is using the general assembly, nothing security council where there is veto power, but the general assembly to stand up a tribunal and immediately indict putin. people around him may be harder pressed to be following and doing in a subservient way if he is indicted. if you could, on april 18 congresswoman salazar and i did send you a letter expressing concern and reports the embassy in guatemala of interfering in the appointment process for the next prosecutor general for guatemala. and whether our embassy is complying with article 41 of the vienna convention on diplomatic relations. i asked the deputy secretary sherman about this april 6. i have not heard back but want to point out the prosecutor general has been extremely helpful when it comes to extraditing criminals from guatemala, 63 in 2021 including 54 drug dealers. now guatemala's social media is abuzz with a memorandum circulating that is entitled

charles has got to go. the guy is a liability and he is more use morecolorful language like the word sociopath . taylor pushed for amir to go because amir was technically his boss but taylor considered him and i a. taylor did all the work that was not allowed on decision-making calls. despite having compiled a a dossier, he didn't say much about charles . gavin who had spoken early was watching the proceedings. appalled by how vitalik had invited everyone to point fingers and name names . and everyone who happened to be in the house including joe's son was privyto this sensitive discussion . sitting through an hour of people proclaiming their enemies was excruciating. he felt charles didn't deserve a public bashing even if it was by the people who'd been living with them. and felt calling a meeting when he knew in advance that people were unhappy with charles was a poor decision. vitalik felt the meeting was spontaneous rather than organized and didn't see any smaller group with which the problems could havehibeen discussed . matteo's, one of the main orchestrator as of this moment was conflicted . the

charles has got to go. the guy is a liability and he gives more colorful language like the word sociopath. taylor pushed for a to go because i mirror was technically his boss but the other considered him mia. taylor did all the work but was not allowed on decision making calls. despite having compiled thehe dossier, he didn't say much about charles. gavin who had spoken earlier was watching thehe proceedings, appalled by how vitalik invited able to point fingers and name names. enabling happen to be in the house including joe's son was privy to the sensitive discussion. sitting through an hour of people proclaiming their enemies was excruciating. he felt charles didn't deserve a public bashing even if it was other people who had been living with him. gavin felt calling a meeting when vitalik knew in advance that people were unhappy with charles was a poor decision. vitalik felt the meeting was spontaneous, rather than organize and doesn't see any smaller group with which the problems could of been discussed. one of the main orchestrator of this moment was conflicted so they were two staff that it