to a large extent, it was about a relationship between president -- charles van hyes, and the governor with the state. they decided to have something that was called a saturday lunch club. they and their aids would get together. the goal was to try to find ways that the university could help the state. one of the most interesting ways this occurred -- and it was later called the wisconsin idea, hat people in t wisconsin are very proud of. i will give you a quick example. it was sewage. one of the biggest problems all cities in north america had was how to get rid of sewage. so here we are in madison. we had some lakes. the idea is we will put the sewage in the lakes. that had terrible consequences for the quality of the lakes. but the reason he was, my goodness, paris puts all of its sewage in the river. why can't we do this? lakes, there is no downstream. it did not work out. this was a huge problem. it was a problem for every city. however, at the university of wisconsin, we have professors who specialized in sewage treatment. and they were able to offer their expertise to the city o