that's another show, charlesie. >> rose: take this whole conversation we've just had and put it at the centre of it barack obama reasons right. >> rose: well, you know, he's i guy who if you sit next to joe biden at lunch, touch you. bill clinton, touching, barack obama, no touching. >> rose: really? >> right. >> rose: is that because of his life experiences in terms of -- some people are touchers and some are not. and i don't think-- i don't buy that he's cold and unemotional. i just think he has-- he's formal. he's a formal guy. and that doesn't mean at least in official circumstances. there are other circumstances i've seen him with old friends and things like that where he's not formal. and but i think in the conduct of his dutys, he's more formal. and so do i think he has great social schools, yes. do i think-- . >> rose: great social skills. >> i do think he does. i don't buy the fact that he's superrational lone err, no, he's not. he's not that at all. but do i think over the course of the past year he was too much in his head or in the heads of people around him and did not hav