charlie: mr.nt, thank you. ♪ cory: welcome to "bloomberg west," where we cover innovation, technology, and the future of business. i am cory johnson. u.s. stocks in the first quarter, a selloff. the nasdaq and s&p, up for the quarter. ninth straight quarter of gains. talks over iran's nuclear program continue tomorrow in switzerland. diplomats are struggling to reach an outline for an agreement. here is iran's senior negotiator.

charlie: thanks for coming. richard: great pleasure, charlie. charlie: richard plepler of hbo.in a moment. stay with us. ♪ charlie: al michaels is here. he is one of america's most respected and prolific sportscasters. he is the only broadcaster who has called a super bowl, the world series, the stanley cup, the nba finals and the olympics for network television. he is currently the play-by-play voice of nbc's "sunday night football" which is among television's highest-rated shows. all of those stories and more are told in this book -- "you can't make this stuff up: miracles, memories, and the perfect marriage of sports and television." i'm so pleased to have al michaels back at this table. welcome. al: every 18 years we do this, charlie, right? i think we did this in 1997. charlie: it has been a great life. it is a great life. al: it has been. i am blessed in so many ways. my family, number one. my wife linda, we've been together since the 10th grade. kids and grandkids. i think i said in the book, i don't believe in reincarnation probably because if i do come back and god wan

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: david brooks is here. he writes about politics culture, and social science. he also teaches a class at yale university. his new book explores some of the greatest leaders in history. the book is called "the road to character.” to my parents, lois and michael brooks. have they read it? david: they are my best and harshest critics. you had to steal yourself for them. they say, shorten this. charlie: in the end, the thesis -- david: the book starts out with a basic distinction. there are resume virtues. we bring those to the marketplace. are you a good teacher, lawyer. there are eulogy virtues. were you passionate, honest, courageous? capable of deep love? we all know eulogy virtues are more important. but the way we raise kids, it is for resume virtues. a lot of us including myself are clear on how to build a good career than character. this is a book to discover, how do we build the eulogy? the kind of eulogy we want to have? it is an exclamation of lives. people who did great things and were great internal

>> from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome. we began with a conversation about the ted talks, a story i did for 60 minutes sunday night. brian stevenson was the person people wanted. he spent years trying to reform the criminal justice and system. he said yes. then he remembered a serious conflict on his calendar. brian: it was before i had an argument at the supreme court. charlie: what did they say to convince you? brian: it is a big deal. it is an incredible platform. everybody watches ted talks. charlie: in march of 2012, brian stevenson took the stage at the annual tech conference in long beach, california, one of 60 speakers that week. brian: we have a system that treats you better if you are rich and guilty. charlie: he made the case for changing the criminal justice system with the same mixture of passion and logic he uses to persuade judges and juries. he introduced his initiative in a disarmingly honest way. brian: miss parks turned to me and said tell me what the equal justice initiative is. i began giving her my wra

charlie: roll tape. make anyone immortal, but i can bring him back to life. i was getting reports from marines who served with him. talked to his mother, the girlfriend. i have brought a ghost back. shall we: exorcism? i don't know. -- shall we call it exorcism? i don't know. charlie: you have never met anyone who made you feel the same way. reach this wholeness. gore: no. i come alike so many people, i was always a youth. i was into lust. really entangle men. charlie: you say that was the best part of it. gore: that is what i like, tennessee williams, jack kennedy, marlon brando. we are both promiscuous to a degree that is not possible in the age of aids. but we certainly were. it may have been the tension of the war. neither one of us were looking for completeness. we were looking for the excitement and adventure. charlie: there is the thing about running for congress. if michael: he not only ran for congress he also ran for the senate in the 1980's. against jerry brown. he did a credible job in both c

charlie: ge.ave said, you would have done the same thing today because of the new regulations affecting the financial sector that came out of dodd-frank. before dodd-frank, would you have disbanded? jack: no. we had 27 years of enormous growth, great people and businesses. jeff built it more than i did. 40% last year. this was a great -- and guess what, he chose the right time. these assets in steve schwarzman's hands. charlie: the real estate assets. jack: there are other great leasing businesses. they are going to get good prices for these deals and be able to buy back stock. create the same eps by buying back stock. have a concentrated -- they will be back doing other things. ge is the only company left in the dow jones. when i got the job for my predecessor, i inherited utah international. i sold it in 24 months. that was ge and mining. we were doing an inflation hedge. charlie: looking at ge today, it was, the house that jack built. they are going back now, for some of the reasons we said, to

charlie: and he loved you so much. candice: not then. charlie: i bet he did.ughter] i know all these people. we kid about being brothers. , cousins, something. he had a wonderful marriage. you had a wonderful marriage. you have lost your spell. -- lost your spouse. candice: within the same timeframe. it is a big event to have in common. charlie: you have to come to terms with it. candice: and you know to a degree with the other has gone through, and how debilitating it is with the family. charlie: those are the three loves, chloe, marshall, louis. did louis want to put you in a movie? candice: no. he didn't. i don't think i would have been up to it. he said, to not be able to get away from your cast at the end of the day is just asking too much of a director. [laughter] he would just like to leave the set and go home. charlie: but he liked actors. candice: he loved actors, but actors are needy. [laughter] charlie: you have really strong feelings and thoughts about thing beautiful. everybody knew how beautiful you are, people wanted you in movies before you wer

charlie: including the u.s.he threat of isil is a very high priority threat on the part of the u.s. mr. jarif: i am happy to see it is becoming one. but before it started its operation against iraq, it was not the case because people were tolerating it when it was attacking the syrian government. that is unfortunate. history started some time ago. it did not start today. it did not start with dash moving into iraq a occupying mostul. charlie: this is where we end part one of the two-part conversation with mr. jarif:. thank you for joining us. see you tomorrow. ♪ want to consider a certain tv show. with all due respect. on the show, baltimore, but first, hillary clinton. she announced her campaign in a video, where she did not say much about anything. she then did some small-scale events in new hampshire that many thought were equally uneventful, but today for the first time, she took to a very big stage, an actual stage, and

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: phil knight is here. he was the first ever deputy director of the fbi's national security branch. his new book is a guide for approaching tough decisions in the digital age of data overload. it is called "the head game." i cannot imagine who gave it that title. i am pleased to have philip mudd back on this program. how could you ever think, this is a great -- "the head game" is fine. it is the subtitle. philip: the author writes the book. the marketers do the cover. i did the title. we went back and forth. it was difficult to come up with the first title, the big thing. -- first title, "the big think." folks at the publishing company said, this is not going to work. back and forth six months. we need something that is going to catch the idea of how to think intellectually about complex problems. i was sitting at a bar one night, not uncommon for me, and i swear this is in minneapolis sitting at a bar, having a glass of wine. i look over and i see some guy working some girl at the bar. i looked and said, s

charlie: what about aid coming in? sanjeev: there is a lot of aid coming in, pouring in from china and the u.s., israel, and other countries. my fear is there has to be a better coordination. i hope there is better coordination on the aid that is pouring in so that it goes to the right places. they goes to the right places, and it is optimally effective. charlie: is -- evacuation might uncover those [indiscernible] sanjeev: we have to remember the next phase, the danger of widespread diseases that might come about. that is something that needs to be careful. charlie: laurent, you can speak to that. tell us what haiti's experience was after the earthquake that hit your country. laurent lamothe: the country was completely in shock and certainly one of the big challenges that we had also was the coordination of aid. we had several thousand helping, we had several governments helping. one -- what is important to remember and focus on, you have leadership and response, for the government to lead this effort [inaudible] and

charlie: because? adm. mullen: when i was commanding officer of a united states navy cruiser in the 1990's, i took my ship up in the early 1990's when it was really bad. the ruble was worth less than a penny and it was going down every day. there was nothing on the shelves. the people that were there were desperate about their future. what strikes me in retrospect, going back to that timeframe is when the cold war ended, what we did was we gloated. we didn't do what we did after world war ii which was focused on germany and japan and restoring it. we gloated. many russians remember that. charlie: especially putin. adm. mullen: especially president putin. he comes into power in 2000. he is resourced heavily because of the energy shift in the world and the bountiful energy they had. he saved the country. here is a man who's got a terrible demographic problem terrible infrastructure problem. his economy is in really bad shape which has doubled because of the sanctions and the oil. yet, he is an important playe

it charlie: sunni charlie: -- charlie: the sunni and shia, and the question of regional supremacy with saudi arabia. philip: when we sat at the table, we met nightly with george tenet at 5:00, the so-called small group. every night, we would talk about wmd threats, whether we would be able to pick up somebody tomorrow, what tenet was going to tell president bush in the morning, what threats we got that night. a pretty tense time. we were talking about fighting a group that did not control geographic space. the taliban controlled space in afghanistan. al qaeda were simply focused on attacks against the americans. in all the circumstances i mentioned before -- syria, iraq, yemen -- we are starting to see groups that have an al qaeda-ish idea of life. the enemy is not just here. it is in france, london, new york. they are starting to control geographic space. northern nigeria, another example. i am starting to worry that in the future we may get areas that not only host groups that attack america or want to attack america, but they host a geographic space and start to evolve toward govern

charlie: you have served two presidents. you came to the attention of president bush when he asked you , even though you are not in government, to come make decisions about the iraqi war. legend has it you told the president you are not in favor of the search. he listened to you and went ahead with the search, he thinks it is a success. at the same time he took notice and want you to come back to government. michael: at some time -- 2006 was a major review of our iraq strategy. things were not going well good the president and his key advisers were looking for advice from a variety of corridors. what i thought was most important of the time was making sure that we had a policy that could be handed off across the administration. ultimately the iraqis will have to win the fight. the president did make a gutsy decision. operationally it was quite a success by the time the administration changed. they didn't achieve the objective of handing off iraq policy to the administration. charlie: was your advice wrong? michael: i think y

>> from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin with politics. senator rand paul announced his decision to run for president in 2016. he is the second republican candidate after ted cruz to officially enter the race. rand paul is the only libertarian republican candidate. senator paul: we have come to take our country back from the special interests that use washington as their personal piggy bank, that are more concerned with their personal welfare, then the general welfare. the washington machine that gobbles up our freedoms and invades every note and cranny of our lives must be stopped. too often when republicans have won, we have squandered our victory by becoming part of the washington machine. that is not who i am. charlie: joining me now is mark halperin of bloomberg politics also john heilemann. they are part of the show "with all due respect." tell me about the announcement, and the outlines of his candidacy, and how he sees an self getting the nomination. mark: 1500 people in this hotel, a well choreographed events. introduced by his wi

charlie: the u.s. held back in terms of airstrikes at the time that militias and the iraqi army were engaged in combat in tikrit. why did they hold back? what was the reason. ? prime minister al-abadi: well, i have been told they didn't have enough reconnaissance in that area. any bombing mission cannot take place without enough reconnaissance. i have been told it is sometimes 30 hours or more to try to defin e targets and what to hit. you have to make sure these targets there are no population centers there or civilians that may be killed or no infrastructure there that may be damaged. charlie: the president of syria told me several weeks ago that he gets information from iraq having to do with airstrikes that will take place in iraq and syria. does your government give information to the americans take information from the syrians and give the information to the americans so they can be coordination of american airstrikes? prime minister al-abadi: our position on syria is we don't provide coronation.

charlie: god bless you for that.: my mother lived long enough to see me at metropolitan opera. we never for two that conversation. -- never referred to that conversation. my dad had a record store. she was a literary person to read she liked books. she was a librarian. charlie: she thought you had talent. philip: i don't pick she would have known. my dad like music. i would practice in the kitchen. i did not like playing alone. i was probably performing for my mother when i was eight or nine years old. charlie: is the ability to be able to create music either as a composer or vocalist, a player some different skill that people have? or is it something you can develop? philip: i think it is both really. for some reason, at least in the world of concert music or theater music, we tend to start young. that is not always true. the beatles were finishing art school when they formed a band, they were in their 20's. that is common. not any world of concert music european art music. i was six or seven years old. charlie call

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: evan osnos is here. he covers politics and foreign affairs for the new yorker and is the author of "age of ambition." he wanted national book award last year. he has been writing about the country for the last decade. this latest report as a cover story on china's president, xi jinping. it is called "china's new authoritarian." do you have access to him? evan: not yet. i have a request in but he is not said yes. charlie: how much is known about him in terms of the public press in china? and how much of an effort is there to define him? evan: there is a mythology about him, a robust and fixed story about him. he is the son of a revolutionary, his father was one of the founding heroes of communist china. the sun suffered during the cultural revolution. that in itself is not wrong. that basic skeleton of a story is correct but the details of how those experience impacted him, how they shaped his thinking, those turn out to be essentially important to understanding who he is. charlie: drawback portrait for m

charlie: it you and charlie wilson and others drove the forces in afghanistan. how proud of you are that in the long career you have had with national security? michael: i am an extraordinary proud in that it was a job of a lifetime. i was a fairly young man at the time. i had come out of the special forces into the scent -- central intelligence agency. it was a remarkable time. i had great losses. i was given the opportunity to develop a strategy that worked. the war was in its fifth year at that time. like a lot of the insurgencies. insurgents were getting weary. also, because of charlie wilson and others there was a buildup of resources. it caused a review of strategy at about was this the right amount and should we continue to see this at some that would impose costs on the soviets? but there was really no chance of winning. the soviets, up to that point when they had occupied an area they did it successfully. that was the general belief. there was no chance of winning. policy turned in early 1985. president reagan announced a security decision. they had a r

charlie: adam, speak to that. adam: before the argument in the morning, when all we knew was justice kennedy's reasoning in the windsor decision, there was a lot of reason to think he was prepared to go all the way. he stopped short of saying so today. will he in june? i agree with david, very likely, yes. his question suggests he knows he's on the brink of a major transformation of american society and one which would be a ccomplished by court rulings and not democracy and that made him a little nervous. charlie: what more did you glean from watching this about the justices beyond kennedy? adam: both cases presented their cases good. they suggested, somehow banning same-sex marriage, it would make traditional marriage more secure. justices kagan, ginsburg, really went after him on that. not understanding whatever you might say about traditional marriage, it is not clear how banning same-sex marriage is going to do any harm to that institution. david: i agree. it i thought it was interesting, you saw both in the c

charlie: of course. annie: how is your yiddish? [laughter] charlie: not so good.t happened -- what was it in 1970? when he committed suicide. annie: yes, february 1970. charlie: why did he commit suicide? annie: suicide is like a divorce. it is not when you act out when it starts. it is a few months before. there was a process of doubting. charlie: doubting his own? annie: doubting his own -- look, he is successful, but he had a stroke. he became depressed. he started being unbalanced. he left his wife. he went to live in the studio, so he just lost his environment. he was unable to paint as much as he did before. then he started being -- getting all these visits of people courting him from all over the world. i think the relationship with the marlboro gallery was not a good one. he felt a pressure. instead of showing the last paintings, he went away. charlie: we talked about him and his life and his death. let's take a look at some of your book. let's talk about these slides. show me the first slide. annie: it is a self-portrait. charlie: what does it reveal abou

charlie: -- 100,000 fatalities. charlie: what does this mean for the economy? sanjeev: it will set the country back definitely. one good thing that will come out of this, we have had this very fractious political situation. we still do not have a constitution. the election was -- we are still looking for a new constitution. what people are hoping is in light of this calamity, that the political parties will come together and [inaudible] efforts and hopefully that will keep the country in the right direction, politically and socially. it is a very fractious political situation. a lot of talk about federalism that is going on. you have not been able to move it in the right direction. so that is our hope. charlie: back to haiti. when the attention goes away does aid go away? laurent lamothe: absolutely. that is one of the situations we have to do with, when the cameras are off, the funding dries out and the interest in the country dies off. the lesson that we have learned is [indiscernible] work with the international partners and execute the plan that we control

charlie: control.ussell: control but not in the way that everything has to stop while you work out what you need. it is not that. it is having the ultimate say because what you want to do as a director, the privilege of being a direct or is that you get to bring the smartest hearts and minds that you can. you can say, i love your work as a production designer, i need you at your best. i love the way you did this in this movie and i need this because it is going to be complicated. i need you at your best. you know? the one who one the academy award for the lord of the rings. we knew on a film set we worked well together. i went to him and said, can we expand this and make a future? he said, i would love to. you get this amazing responsibility to bring these people toward you. i have no problem stealing from anybody. the same way they have no problem stealing from me. [laughter] charlie: but you talk to ridley, you talked to ron howard. none of them in this film. you didn't go to any of them and say -- r

megan: thank you, charlie. charlie: tell me more.t is the mandate of the chief technology officer? megan: it is a new job that president obama started as he began his presidency. it is embedded in the office of science, technology, and policy with the science advisor. he is awesome. he has such depth and creativity. our colleagues are watching for your science policy like ebola, or education, there are people working on national security environmental, other things. dr. holder and i both report to the president. the key is, how do we both weigh in on policy, and make sure the techies are there when we are making decisions, and also, how do we instigate and help our government be much better at all of these things we need to be using? for example, if you look at healthcare.gov, here was this incredible policy that the president had created with a great business model, great partnership strategy economics, and the website was going to tank it? that is terrible. luckily, my colleagues fixed the website. and now, in the second round, 15

charlie: that was the last message of charlie wilson, wasn't it? michael: it is indeed. charlie: -- where are you on intelligence we have learned from guantanamo leading to bin laden in combination with other intelligence? michael: i think through some of the analysis made clear by the cia, we did get intelligence from those programs that helped us understand al qaeda, that led to a number of disruptions including a role in the path to osama bin laden. him him it helped us identify -- him really focus in on certain aspects of the courier that would lead us to him. what are you could have gotten that through some other means, whether the strategic downsides of that program outweighed the intelligence benefits, it is for others to judge. him him i think there was very valuable intelligence that came out of it. charlie: thank you for coming. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ emily: welcome to "bloomberg west". i am emily chang. here's a check of your top headlines. advisors for charter to medications have reached out to begin friendly talks on an acquisition. c

charlie: wow. tea leoni: so upsetting. charlie: it was good. tea leoni: it's a hero for me.ot to work with marcia -- charlie: wasn't she married to neil simon? tea leoni: yes. it was a huge deal. talk about a woman breaking through. she was fabulous and gorgeous. i loved her in that. i loved her in that film. charlie: let's assume you're talking about somebody that was a former agent or friend or had done something terrible. and she had also gotten someone killed? tea leoni: one of our very closely jewel friends. -- close usualmutual friends. this is the humanity of that character. she betrayed me, her country, her president. but what she did to our friend -- the fact that she -- we get to see the humanity of this woman. hillary and matalin and condoleezza, these are women with very full lives. we never really got to see behind the curtain. it is what is entertaining and real and the show is doing what i wanted to do. >> jason, this is about your safety. >> you can't spring this on me. i would be a normal kid at a normal school. >> yourself and get on board. >> just do it, s

charlie: gary?ary: i understand people being very cautious about what has happened, but this is far better than anybody anticipated that we were going to get. this is truly historic. one can disagree about what may happen 10, 15 years from now but compared to all of the other alternatives, without exception, that is very good. just two years ago, we were only basically weeks away potentially from having enough enriched uranium to make a bomb. charlie: what do you think now -- two to three months away? gary: when netanyahu went in front of the un's general assembly, he held up this cartoon bomb and it was filling up with uranium. it was getting close to the top and within a few months, maybe weeks it could be turned into enough enriched uranium. that is gone. that has been diluted down eliminated. that whole threat does not exist anymore at all. we have moved back from that. even now, they have 10,000 kilograms of low enriched uranium which is a lot. they are going to cut that down to 300. we are tal

>> from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." charlie: hank paulson is here. he is the chairman of the paulson institute at the university of chicago. he has traveled to china more than 100 times. he has built unparalleled relationships with china's most important business and political leaders. he has brought the lessons he learned to this book "dealing with china: an insider unmasks the new economic superpower." i am pleased to have hank paulson back at this table. hank paulson terrific -- mr. paulson: terrific to be here. charlie: you are thinking about a third book. [laughter] mr. paulson: you and i were joking, when i told wendy i was going to write a second book she said i might date again. [laughter] this wasn't -- the crisis we got to relive emotionally. this was a harder book to write. the crisis was a beginning, a middle, and end. charlie: the thread that runs through it is china. mr. paulson: it is all china. charlie: what is your love of china? what is your interest in china? mr. paulson: i spent the time i spent there today i think everyone needs

charlie is on assignment.e begin with a story that everyone saw coming, hillary clinton has formally announced her candidacy for president. the former first lady and secretary of state announced her bid on a youtube video over the weekend. she joins gop candidates ted cruz and rand paul, with marco rubio announcing his candidacy this evening. joining me now for a look at the 2016 election, karen tumulty is with the washington post, jerry seib is with the wall street journal. thank you for being here. it was no great surprise that she was in. she had an unusual rollout. the video and between, and then the video. was it successful? karen: who knows. we can tell you in november 2016. it seemed like everything, interestingly enough, last time she also started with a video over a weekend. the message of this video seemed to be, remember how i did it last time? i am not doing it that way again. al: the non-2008 hillary. jerry? jerry: i thought it was an interesting illustration of how she can't do the things other c

charlie: if you look at this -- cheryl: look at charlie's notes. >> raw shock test.: that's what they have to supply with it. >> i if you the put it on the sc website. cheryl: thank you so much for coming. really the voice -- i feel like i had the voice of reason in front of me. which balances out -- all right. thank you very much. great interview. >> all right, the closing bell, 26 minutes to go. we'll have the latest on the stock sell-offs. watching on wall street right now. investors have thrown in the a towel for jcpenney. one fund manager says it's the time to buy. get ready for weekend with warren. liz claman winging her way to omaha. interviews with insiders. and a prime time special. wrap up the entire meeting. warren buffett's america. an exclusive interview with warren by charlie and bill gates. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ cheryl: for a "countdown" news flash. official bernie sanders is taking on hillary clinton. his announcement to run for the democratic nomination. he will fight a sea level of income disparity. and a finance system that's a disgrace. may the