first of all, a shoutout to charlie brennan and the team at the boulder newspaper. they forced the revelation of this unprosecuted indictment. have you ever heard of that? >> i have. there was a situation in federal court. it's rare. that was in denver, a strange case. most of the time, prosecutors don't ask a grand jury to deliberate and vote if they are not going to act afterwards. >> this was the district attorney, alex hunter putting his own will above that of the grand jury. to me, that is colossal arrogance at the very least. i feel we have been cheated and lied to by alex hunter, the district attorney. >> yeah. alex hunter had so many flaws. the worst part of the jonbenet investigation is the way he had a dysfunctional relationship with the boulder police department. the latest revelation seems to me to be -- charlie brennan, who followed the case from the out set to the rocky mountain news. he's a good friend of stan garnet. in fact, he tried to help stan garnet become colorado attorney general. i think there's a coordinated effort to put pressure on jon ram

charlie brennan broke the story in january of this year about what was in that sealed grand jury reportfrom 1999. and then he pushed for the release of the actual document. and he told me why that was so important to him. >> i realized after publishing this story in january about the existence of the indictment there were still many people who kind of looked at it as a, well, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, maybe there was, maybe there wasn't, and i just realized as a journalist that she nailed the story down with absolute certainty is important to obtain and show to the public the actual indictments that reflected the decision of the grand jury back in october of 1999. >> so in addition to the indictment, there were the dna test results. tests that came nine years after this indictment clearing the ramsey parents. does it payment it irrelevant or is it still important in your view? >> well, you could almost word it -- in a way, you could almost argue the indictment is irrelevant even after the dna issue in that the charge that is specified in the indictment, child abuse involved in death

a 1990 grand jury indictment against her parents, now public, after local reporter, charlie brennan, sued to have it released. >> i feel it's very important that that secrecy be removed. and the people can look and see what happened and make decisions for themselves. whether they believe it was right or wrong. >> reporter: the documents reveal a grand jury voted to indict john and patsy ramsey for child abuse, resulting in death. and being accessories to a crime. but in an unusual move, the d.a. back then decided not to prosecute. >> we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at this time. >> reporter: jonbenet was found beaten and strangled the day after christmas 1996. >> jonbenet ramsey. >> reporter: beauty pageant videos of a grown-up-looking 6-year-old, helped create a nationwide obsession with the case. her parents under suspicion from the start, blamed an unknown intruder. >> did you kill your daughter? >> i did not kill my daughter. >> reporter: patsy ramsey died of cancer two years before a new district attorn

>> the indictment, charlie brennan is the reporter who under freedom of information. >> he is for thea. >> a local paper there in bolder after years of trying, the paper first reported in january that there had been an indictment. the tale had been for years and i covered the story so extensively. i was out in bolder and the rest of it, the story had been for years there was no indictment. then in january the daily camera reports that there has been an indictment. now we know there has been an indictment. the indictment which 12 jurors unanimously voted on were that these people were guilty of child abuse. >> the parents? >> child abuse leading to murder. john and patsy ramsey. child abuse leading to the murder of their child. >> that's what the grand jury said? >> yet, the d.a. alex hunter. patsy ramsey is deceased. the father is still alive. >> she died in cancer in 2006. >> the d.a. got this grand jury indictment but refused to implement it because he said he didn't have enough evidence to win, are you buying it? i don't know what the mat matchinations. >> let me go back to the cri

hunter announced no charges would be filed against the parents, but boulder daily camera reporter charlie brennan hunter had put that signed indictment in a safe, and it remained a secret until brennan reported its existence in january of this year. >> the charges laid out in this indictment carried a statute of limitations running three years and that we are well past the expiration of that statute of limitations, and so there is no way anybody is going to be arrested and taken to trial on these charges despite this indictment coming to light at this time. >> reporter: jonbenet was 6 years old on december 26, 2006, when she was found strangled to death in the basement of her parents' home. autopsy reports she had also been sexually assaulted. the ramseys maintained their innocence and said the killer was an intruder. patsy ramsey died of vain cancer back in 2006, and john ramsey remarried after his wife died and lives in las vegas now. gregg: alicia, thanks very much. i'm going to be talking with craig silverman in a moment about this case. patti ann: the white house, meanwhile, facing a new wav

charlesy brennan is with us. >> charlie, why after all of these years you pressed so hard to see thet the ramseys? >> the main reason i pursued it. in a case that is plagued by mystery and misinformation and a left fogginess around so many central developments. this is one thing that after years of reporting work and developing sources, i was able to establish really did happen. and in october of 1999, the eight women and four men who made up the grand jury returned an indictment and charged john and patsy ramsey of child abuse and death. i nailed the story down and published on january of this year. >> what dow think you will learn when you see the indictment? >> we don't know what we will see. the judge indicated he will release 18 pages of grand jury indictments. think pages that reflect the charges against the ramseys. and what we may or may not see. it is not a 9- 3 voter or 10-2 vote. what i don't expect we will see is the reasoning behind their vote or the or any of the highlighted evidence that might have driven their decision. >> that would be interesting. as you know, the d

charlie? >> very interesting. elizabeth, thank you. >>> this morning they're talking with pirates who kidnapped two sailors. mar great brennan is at the state department this morning. good morning. >> good morning to you, norah and to charlie. that group called the movement for the emancipation of delta say says they were captured offshore. the fbi and state department are coordinating the emergency response through the u.s. embassy there. the two americans were working on this u.s. flag commercial oil supply ship off the coast of nigeria when pirates attacked and kidnapped them before releasing the 11 other crew members. it's not clear where they took them. one the ship's cam tan, the other the engineer. >> we're seeking the identification. our principle concern now is the safe return of two american citizens. >> reporter: piracy has increased by a third this year in part because of the ships caring care carrying oil. that type of coordination off east africa has led to a significant drop in piracy. attacks are down 8 507 over the past two yeeks. ships now speed to the area with armed private security guards to dodge high j

brennan is at the state department. good morning. >> good morning to you, norah, and to charlie. how to deal with egypt since the milita milita military coup has been one of the most vexing since the new administration. hundreds of military aid to egypt is being held back. of the $1.3 billion the u.s. gives egypt each year, half of that has already been handed over. the remaining $585 million is effectively suspended. the administration is withholding that aid due to the action of the egypt-lead military regime. since the army ousted mohamed morsi from power in july, hundreds have died in political violence. 69 were killed just this sunday. in the last three months, the government has arrested nearly 2,000 people, mainly morsi supporters. the u.s. has urged the egyptian government to quickly hold elections and make democratic reforms. neither has happened. the u.n. addressed two weeks ago, president obama acknowledged the importance of the relationship between the two countries but said that the it was in question. >> the united states will maintain a relationship with the govern

brennan is at the state department. good morning. >> good morning, gayle and to charlie.meet with afghan president hamid karzai. he's going to push karzai to come to terms on defining what the role of american troops will be in afghanistan. and this deal will determine how many u.s. troops stay on the ground after international forces draw down at the end of the 2014. now, up to this point, talks have completely failed and the white house is fed up. they don't want a repeat of the mistakes of iraq, which was talks fell apart, there was no security agreement and the u.s. completely withdrew. if that happens in afghanistan, the risk is that there will be violent extremists like the taliban who can gain an advantage. there's also a concern that all of the work hammered out by u.s. diplomats and american soldiers would be endangered without in kind of agreement here that would protect their role. now, we don't expect the terms of a deal to be signed today, but more than 2,000 soldiers have died in afghanistan. kerry is going to be here at a pivotal moment to try to come to so

brennan is at the state department. margaret, good morning. >> good morning, norah, and to charlie. european lawmakers tell us they're upset by the volume of information collected by the nsa and want to know what was done with it. they'll hold meetings at the white house and the state department today. but some of these questions are going to be hard to answer as we just begin to realize how far the surveillance program reaches. >> reporter: president obama said there should be additional constrains on how the u.s. gathers intelligence. he told cable channel fusion. >> what we've seen over the last several years is their capacity to continue to develop and expand, and that's why i'm initiating now a review to make sure that what they're able to do doesn't necessarily mean what they should be doing. >> reporter: the president would not say whether or not he knew that the nsa has been monitoring german chancellor angela merkel's communications since 2002. but according to senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein, the president was unaware. so was her committee. in a statem

brennan is at the state department. margaret good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you and to charlie. how to deal with egypt since the military military military has been a force. now a palsy shift is underway. hundreds of millions of dollar of military aid to egypt is being held back. of the $1.3 billion the u.s. gives egypt each year, half of that has already been handed over. the remaining $585 million is suspended. the administration is withholding that aid due to the actions of the military led ra geem. since the army outed mo ham ma morsi in july hundreds have died in political violence. 59 were killed just this sunday. in the last three months the government has arrested nearly 2,000 people mainly morsi reporters. violence is escalating. in his u.n. address two weeks ago president obama acknowledged the importance of the relationship between the two countries but said that the future of u.s. aid was in question. >> the united states will maintain a constructive relationship with the infirmed government that promotes core interest, but we have not proceeded with the delivery of