phoning other people as well and having lots of conversations in the phony john prescott, gordon brown, charliefaulkner, whoever he might be. lots of different people. he would phone people outside the circle. he would often, not necessarily by making decisions, his constituent agent john bergen with somebody you'd want to know what they said and he would speak to them at what was happening. he would then in terms of a specific discussion, if most mondays used to start with the prime minister having sent a note out to what you would call his inner circle. and i would be the basis for a meeting on monday morning. and when you go to meetings, specifically dealing with iraq, from memory that people would almost certainly be at those would be jack straw, jeff koons, admiral boyce, john scholar, sometimes richard dierdorf and myself probably -- >> that is a formal meeting on iraq. >> about the most of the discussions would be. they would probably send usually in the morning first thing just about getting the day in shape and working out with only changing the tire for that, which phone causes the ma