he actually was a man named charlie clasp who is not with us but he was working for arthur burke. a lot of people were involved in this in one way or another. and i mean, he talked about some of the people who wanted to go the other way and let's say a phyllis schlafly kind of group on this task force. i think what would have emerged had that happened would have been quite different from what did emerge. >> that moved early on made a big difference. >> absolutely and charlie talked about the fact that we need to get some republican women who could he, who could get some reputation out there for fighting the women's party. he said it felt like the democrats had been in control of this issue. president kennedy had had the president's commission on the status of women which had equivocal results but russell then they creation of the issues on women. president johnson had done a number of things but there were equivocal results there as well and no appointments of women. and so the task force and some people, some historians have said well this really wasn't a very meaningful task for