. >> republican congressman charlie dent says what it will take for his party to sign off on anything. as the united states tick tocks towards possible default america gets a dire warning. >> there's no question we are very close to a very important deadline. and time is of the essence. >> this is "shutdown showdown." >>> good evening, everyone. welcome to this special hour of cnn "shutdown showdown." i'm jake tapper live in capitol hill where the race to beat the debt ceiling clock somehow has congress right back at the starting line. the senate tonight once again wheeling and dealing to put together a bill that would reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling. they did not wrap up until a little less than an hour ago. under this latest deal, the only obama care-related issue would be income verification for people getting health care subsidies, to make sure they qualify. democrats will also try to appease republicans by nixing a plan that would delay an employee fee for unions. the house twice failed to rally around plans proposed by their leaders. and the credit rating agency

let's discuss one of those republican moderates, congressman charlie dent.again for having me, wolf. great to be with you. >> since we last spoke, we've done a survey of all 4432, 433, because of some vacancies, members of the house, and we found that 200 democrats -- every single democrat in the house would vote for what's called a clean continuing resolution, clean bill, without any strings attached to end the government shutdown. we've only found 14 republicans who are publicly willing to make that commitment. that's not enough. you need 217. you think you would get it. tell us why. >> you just said 200 democrats, 14 republicans. actually the number of republicans prepared to vote for a clean continuing resolution is greater than 14. those are 14 publicly declared. i saw another analysis that i think there were 26 republicans who had publicly declared they would vote for a clean continuing resolution. i believe there are many more who privately told me they are -- they're on not any of thinks lists. i believe a clean cr would pass comfortably. i'm not her

if you listen to charlie dent, a colleague, he thinks you are starting to blink.nk both of us, as you said, can agree on one thing. both sides of the aisle, myself and i'm sure bill want the government open and operating again. bill did say that the president has been willing to negotiate in the past. i wish that was true. the president's words were when it comes to the c.r., he will not negotiate. he's said it re petedly over and over again. the republicans have said we will negotiate. we came out with one bill, sent it to the senate, okay. we sent a second. you don't like that? a third. yesterday we sent three other bills. we have had a bunch of different ideas we are willing to throw to the senate or white house. we are willing to theg yat. we want the government open. until this moment the president has said repeatedly, no negotiations. it's only the one way they want to do it. unless you have somebody willing to meet you halfway, that's when it's hard to come to agreement. >> when i asked about charlie dent who said it looks like more republicans are looking

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joined by charlie dent.m one of the few swing districts that there are in the country in pennsylvania. he is one of six lawmakers out of 535 who "national journal" labeled as being at the center of congress these days based on their vote ratings in 2012. so we wanted to highlight one from each side there. congressman dent, let's start with the quick news of the morning. you were just in this meeting of the house republican conference. what can you tell me? what was the reaction to the senate deal? >> well, first, let me say i had to leave during the presentation, but the speaker had said this, that the house is likely to launch its own initiative as early as today that would do a few things. essentially use i believe the same time frames for the cr and the debt limit as in the senate negotiations. i believe that would be january 15th for the cr and february 7th or 8th for the debt limit. it would strike the the reinsurance tax, that $63 per head tax for the large self-insureds and the large unions. that woul

we're talking about congresswoman renee ellmers and congressman charlie dent. 90% folks. the discussion has been there would be something done about obama care in your negotiations, your strategy and tactics over the debt ceiling and the continuing resolution. here it is. do you folks at this point think you really need to do much? i mean, this is, as speaker boehner said, it's a train wreck and the train wreck keeps getting worse by the day. why do anything at this point? >> well, you know, it is failing. it should be a huge and total and complete embarrassment to the obama administration. if we hadn't ended up in the shutdown situation, this would be the complete total focus of the media and the shutdown overshadowed that. it is a complete failure. it is not the promises that were made. these promises have been broken. we were told in energy and commerce, in all our subcommittees, october 1st, for sure, these exchanges would be up and running, from kathleen sebelius on down through the agencies. we are going to have to get answers for this. this is over $600 million wor

i and charlie dent and devin nunez who you have heard from this evening believe that in order to win a national election think it would be nice to have women and people in labor think about voting for republicans. that's the dynamic today and this bunch, i mean, they just had no plan. and that was evident. i think john boehner deserves credit for trying to show them six ways to sunday this was not a strategy that was going to work. he tried to save them from themselves yesterday by coming up with plan "b" an "c." but these people are willing to shoot the hostage and not negotiate and then a bunch of them are going to vote no tonight and go home. this is the thing that kills me they're going to go home and say it's the rhinos joined with the democrats and reopened the government but we stood up to barack obama. but that's crap. and they should be ashamed of themselves for the way they conducted this thing. >> when the republicans do face this again, because as you say the dynamics are still going to be there, do you think that tactically and strategically that speaker boehner and the

i and charlie dent and devin nunez who you have heard from this evening believe that in order to winonal election think it would be nice to have women and people in labor think about voting for republicans. that's the dynamic today and this bunch, i mean, they just had no plan. and that was evident. i think john boehner deserves credit for trying to show them six ways to sunday this was not a strategy that was going to work. he tried to save them from themselves yesterday by coming up with plan "b" an "c." but these people are willing to shoot the hostage and not negotiate and then a bunch of them are going to vote no tonight and go home. this is the thing that kills me they're going to go home and say it's the rhinos joined with the democrats and reopened the government but we stood up to barack obama. but that's crap. and they should be ashamed of themselves for the way they conducted this thing. >> when the republicans do face this again, because as you say the dynamics are still going to be there, do you think that tactically and strategically that speaker boehner and the other r

i want to bring in a republican congressman, charlie dent of pennsylvania. he is the one who really tried to lead the revolt, it might be or at least lead his party to getting to where we are right now. thank you for joining us. you tried to get the votes to stop this bill that the senate rejected in warp speed to stop a government shutdown. you were not successful. now what? >> i have been arguing for some time now we need to move to a clean continuing resolution. we have an affirmative obligation to govern and we have to set aside policy differences and move forward on funding the government. i often say back home to my constituents, every day is the same in the senate, they start slowly and wind down from there. not today. they are moving at warp speed. and so now i don't know what the next move is going to be. i don't know any of us do. i'm going to try to get more information ability what will happen next. but at the end of the day -- or before this process ends i think we will vote on a clean, continuing resolution to fund the government at the sequest

since yesterday charlie dent's okay.ent's being praised at home, but fitzpatrick, meehan, and gurlach all who claim to be moderates, they all voted with the tea party. and they are getting pounded by democrats by the boards -- >> you have just booked three people on our show if they are willing to come. i offer to anyone from those offices, please come in. pat meehan, he wants to go statewide at some point. this is the time to go with the moderates. i'm giving political advice here. >> that's the problem, chris. that's the problem. if those guys lose, the republicans lose control of the house. and we have now got an argument that those guys are tea party supporters, they're bringing progress down in washington. they're the guys that better fold quickly. >> i'm waiting for the rendell slate to be lined up against those three guys. thank you very much. it's very popular in philadelphia, the governor. michael, last word quickly. >> i was going to say real quick on that point, going into next year you now have immigration, y

in fact, peter king and charlie dent have said a clean cr would pass the house. i think you would pass with more than 20 republican votes. it comes back to what we talked about before. , no longer's refusal ,ust the tea party republicans this is clearly the speakers doing good he is continuing to so thatn the government both parties can continue to discuss and to negotiate the passage of a full budget for our country. >> we are eight days into this and the october 17 deadline is fast approaching. what will break the logjam? us has any -- if we had an answer, we would propose it to is mind-boggling to think that the congress of the united states would actually even seriously consider allowing our debt to default, to undermine the confidence that the american dollar has been able to generate for 200 years. and the kind of economic implosion that will occur if we actually go past the point of being able to pay interest and principal on our outstanding debt. that is just beyond comprehension. as jerry mentioned, there are members in the house majority that actually c

that's the one that matters. >> ifill: pennsylvania republican charlie dent.thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> woodruff: let's take a closer look now at these questions surrounding the federal debt limit and what's at stake. in its report today, the treasury department warned that should the government default on its debt obligations later this month, the economic impact could be widespread. it said, quote, "credit markets could freeze, the value of the dollar could plummet, interest rates could skyrocket and there might be a financial crisis and recession that could echo the events of 2008 or worse." we'll discuss what's behind those warnings in a moment. but let's start with some explanation about the debt ceiling. annie lowrey is a reporter for the "new york times" and joins us now. welcome back to the program. remind us what is the debt ceiling, why is it there? why is it needed? >> so it's a kind of secondary check on the amount that congress is spending. that's what it's designed to be. so every year congress decides

however, a lot of moderate republicans, we heard from charlie dent earlier this evening, he did speak in that limited range of debate before the vote started, he said interesting republican to watch, he's from a lehigh valley of pennsylvania, a moderate part of the state. very purple and he has been saying all along we need to get off the obama care folk us and get the government funded, get the debt ceiling pushed back and so he's been one who spoke up just a few moments ago and gave his points on the floor. those republicans can are voting for this. >> all right. libby, thanks very much. it is interesting that the speaker didn't bother to show up for this tonight. considering this has been quite a fight, but maybe he was worn out by what's going on. we did hear some republicans, some of the moderate republicans talk in the debate about avoiding default, end being the shutdown and ability that allows the country to move on. -- >> reporter: that's not what i said -- >> libby, are you still there. >> reporter: oh, sure, actually, i wanted to make a correction, john. we are seeing speak

so i feel sorry for congressman nunes and charlie dent. they know what the right thing is.hner. >> it's interesting. chris, we did hear from a veteran of the senate, republican john mccain on the floor this morning criticizing the thought, you know, this idea that the senate, that the house democrats, that the white house rejects this boehner proposal outright. this is what john mccain had to say. >> the majority leader and the democrats in the house and the white house will say absolutely categorically not, we will not consider what the republicans in the house of representatives are doing in my view is piling on. it's piling on and it's not right. >> he says it's piling on. he went on to say let's consider the republican house proposal as a serious proposal as a way to end the gridlock and a way to get this thing done. he's come out and criticized his own party, chris. are you surprised by those comments today? >> no, i'm not surprised. here's the problem can senator mccain's comments. i'm not sure what anyone expects, you know, senate democrats and the president to do he

the proposal is based on concepts that have been discussed by senator pat toomey and congressman charlie dent and they also reflect by own personal discussions with many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. mr. president, even the staunchest advocates of obamacare, including the president himself, recognize that the law is not perfect. what 2,000-plus-page law dealing with extremely complex issues could be? the president himself has delayed implementation of the employer mandate and certain consumer protections. i have, therefore, searched for common ground on reforming obamacare, seeking a proposal that has widespread bipartisan support in order to attract the necessary votes of our house colleagues on both sides of the aisle. and that is the repeal of the 2.3% tax on the sales of medical equipment. when such an amendment repealing this tax was considered by the senate during the budget resolution, it passed by a resounding vote of 79-20. clearly , it has strong bipartisan support. this $30 billion tax on medical devices such as pacemakers and defibrillators will cause the loss of as

i will sell you prompt in ohio. >> members of congress, charlie derngts li dent, like you, have criticismsis there any new support that is going to emerge for them, from republicans who have views like that. out of this process? >> well, yeah. i mean, my, my part time job is being the president of the main street partnership, a group that was started by moderate republicans 15 years ago. and we are getting a lot of phone calls from people who are republican donors saying what are you crazy? said what happened to my party. i can remember when i ran the first time. i would knock on doors. older people would come and say, democratic party left me. i didn't leave them. and they don't know what the he l. l they are talking about to. night i know what the h lechell they're talking about. steven latourette. thank you for being here. good to have you here. with main street partnership and president of the mcdonalds hopkins lobbying firm. a live report on what is happening in the house right now from one and only john stanton. the house has not yet voted. they're getting close. stay with us. >> tha

charlie dent featured on the front page of "the new york times" as a moderate republican.hewashington times for second day in a row, featuring ted cruz. control -- the story goes on to say -- we are hearing from republicans only this morning. mainstream republicans, tea party republicans, and moderates. mainstream republican line, what are your thoughts? caller: my thoughts are that the shutdown should continue, number two, there is something very wrong with the president that is not willing to set down -- to sit down and talk about his congress. i just don't understand why he would not be willing to sit down and talk. host: let me play for you what jean sperling -- what jean sperling had to say. [video clip] >> the president has made clear and has shown he is willing to negotiate -- >> you keep saying he won't. >> let me finish. he is willing to negotiate on he ister replacement -- willing to negotiate on how to strengthen the affordable care act. he is notid is that going to sanction negotiations with any faction that are using threat of default as a way of extracting po

but as you heard from house republican charlie dent, there are likely more republicans who would vote yes if given the opportunity, but they are not going to take the political risk of saying so. multiple sources say the john boehner has no intention to bring that clean bill to fund the government. one told my that the conservative backlash would be god awful. another said that would be the end of his speakership. >> former adviser to bill clinton, executive of the daily beast. and terry, let me start with you. you heard dana talking about john boehner, whether he's going to bring this to the floor. you know john boehner. what do you think is in his head? would he bring it to the floor three votes short? would he bring it if he had all the votes or would he not? >> almost every media outlet over the past 24 hours has tried to count noises in the house of representatives, and i think there are probably two guys in the house laughing at this, one is the majority whip, and the minority whip, and both of those guys know that nobody's got a perfect count, not even them. i think this is the

we are talking with congressman charlie dent. 90%, folks.ion was about obamacare and you are in egoatioswtstrate tacts or th deb elin andhe ctinung resolution. here it is. do you folks at this point and do you really need to do much? i mean, this is as speaker boehner said, a train wreck and it keeps getting worse by the day. why do anything at this point? >> well, it should be a total and complete embarrassment to an ended up in theation shutdown situation, this would be the total focus of the media and the shutdown has overshadowed that. but it is a complete failure. it is not the promises that were made. these promises have been broken. we were told in the energy and commerce and subcommittees on october 1 for sure, these exchanges would be up and running cathleen sebelius on down through the agency. we are going to have to get answers and this is over $600 million worth of taxpayer dollars that have been paid for. >> the fact is that you guys haven't been able to do this. you say that, but the reality is this administration has stonewall

those that did was a dying breed, the mod receipts, charlie dent from the philadelphia suburbs, one of the last that can be called a swing district, an individual republican who felt this was very bad for him politically. that represents the dynamic here. you've got the traditional chamber republicans and you've got idealogically driven tea party republicans. that is something that has not yet been resolved and many thought it might be after the struggle we've seen over the last days. >> to remind our audience, right now, we are awaiting word from the white house concerning the deal reached in congress last night, both houses of congress now voting to end the standoff, the shut down of the government into its 16th day and extend the debt ceiling. the government will be reopened and funded. some say we are now simply kicking the can down the road, others saying we are looking at what could be a new era of bipartisanship in washington because they are so bloodied and bruised in the polls. we have just starting to see how the government shutdown could impact american consumers, ebay warni

. >> republican congress member charlie dent of pennsylvania said "it's time to govern. i don't intend to support a full scared at this point hurco republican congressman of new york said "the circus created the past few days is a reflective of mainstream republicans." and republican congress member paul ryan of wisconsin said -- tim, can you talk about the division among the republicans? days,r the last couple of there been the emergence of a block of mostly upper midwestern were northeastern a push to become a moderating influence of the party. what we saw last night as they really are still the minority and a very small minority. peter king of new york, republican, attempted to lead a small rebellion against john boehner's proposal to delay the implementation of the affordable care act by year. he got about 20 votes. that died. for the for siebel future, they are in the minority of the republican party and what they consider to be mainstream is anything but. -- those that harry reid called anarchist last night who are driving public policy in the house of representati

congressman charlie dent, a pennsylvania republican, made one of the most stunning statements about this situation. in a television interview this week, congressman dent said the following. he says, "i do believe it is impair that i have we do have a clean funding bill to fund the government. that was the intent of the republican leadership all along," he said. "but obviously there were a few dozen folks in the house republican conference who weren't prepared to vote for a clean bill, and that's why we're in the situation we're in right now." so, congressman dent, a republican, makes it very clear what's going on over in the house of representatives. there's a few dozen folks in the house republican cfn conferenceo aren't prepared to vote for a clean bill, and that's why we're in the situation we're in right now. so the speaker of the house is allowing a -- quote -- "few dozen folks" to shut down the united states government. what an indictment of the house republican leadership. speaker boehner could bring up a of this chaos to an end, and all he has to do is bring the senate's bill reo

he's has a solid red state who doesn't have things to worry about like people like charlie dent, a republicanrom pennsylvania, they are looking at their districts and little bit more concerned. not ted cruz and his colleagues in the house who are in conservative districts because their constituents are saying, shut down the government and make sure obama care is repealed. that's what they are hearing when they go home, which is different than other people in the country are hearing. >> sure, but you know a lot of those people you mentioned will vote against whatever the final deal is on both the shutdown and the debt ceiling, whenever it comes. at a certain point the country, republican party, we all have to move beyond their demand. i wonder on the debt ceiling, why should the white house accept anything less than a three-year extension given the politics and irresponsibility that have combined here to hurt the republicans? >> because a bill has to pass the house floor and republicans are in charge of the john boehner needs to bring something to the floor that -- pleases enough of them to pa

congressman charlie dent told the huffington post he was prepared to vote for of a clean cr.ne more on the list. congressman, frank wolf of virginia said, "it's time to govern." that brings us to 203. and congressman, michael grimm confirmed he supports a clean budget vote. that is 204. eric paulton said he would vote for a clean budget. and frank lobiondo supporting a clean budget. that brings us to 207. randy forbes of virginia said he would vote for a clean bill. jim gerlach, a statement said the same. and, he told the huffington post he was not oppose to voting for a clean budget. saying he would vote for a clean budged. leonard lance. florida congressman bill young told a reporter that he support aid clean budget. congressman, mario diaz barlart told "the miami herald" he would happily vote for a clean bill. 217. richard hanna is for it. 214. tim griffin of arkansas 215. representative don young from alaska said he would vote for a clean budget. that means 216. and florida's own representative. who wrote an op-ed in the tampa bay times why he supports funding the governm

it's time for charlie dent and patrick meehan and fitzpatrick and gurlach and runyon and all these so-calledoderates to stand up. will they sign a discharge petition to force a vote to pass it? that's the time. it's not just time for john boehner to stand up. these guys have had it very good, chris. they've written letters saying we're for a clean bill. but they haven't shown their willingness to sign a discharge petition or join the letter that congresswoman edwards was talking about. >> do they know it's summertime in 1964 and they're in san francisco in the cow palace right now nominating gold water. that they're with the crazies booing rockefeller and scranton. they've joined that party all the way out there. do they know that? they're your colleagues up in pennsylvania. do they know it? >>. >> and they're all good guys who've served well. but they think they can get away with playing both sides. they're not. because we will do -- democrats in pennsylvania will do a letter saying patrick meehan is a good guy, but he's got to be defeated. because if he stays in the crazies will control th