charlie foxtrot, cf, which also stands for crazy effer. are you a crazy effer? chamath: yeah.ughter] chamath: yeah. yeah. emily: tell me something you did that was crazy. chamath: when it was time to expand internationally, the typical thing that people would do is you'd go and talk to google, yahoo!, ebay. "hey, how did you guys expand internationally?" it was always the same answer. we'll take some lily-white mba and they go out on an expat package. i was like, eff that. so, we went and we hired all -- we said, ok, in brazil, only brazilians. prerequisite, they should not be able to speak english very well. we would do that in all these markets. for example, in russia, at one point we said, we were approached -- we didn't do this. i thought about it. you can buy a list from, like, a russian hacking group with, like, every single person's name in russian. and for a while, i was like wow. we should just buy this list of every single person's name, and we were going to run google ads so that when they search for themselves, they'd see a link to a dark profile. not even a profil

emily: there's a codename for you, charlie foxtrot, cf. which also stands for crazy effer. are you a crazy f'er? chamath: yeah. ♪ emily: how did you end up in silicon valley? chamath: it was very accidental. when i graduated, i took a job in finance to relieve the immediate pressure i felt on my family. very quickly, i thought it was boring. my girlfriend at the time had -- who is now my wife -- had moved down here. that is how i came down here. i applied for a bunch of jobs. that's how it all started. emily: how did you get the job at facebook? chamath: i had known sean parker. emily: he was president at that time? chamath: he said that he was going to be in washington, d.c. where aol's offices were. i'll be with mark zuckerberg, do you want to meet? we had a meeting and i thought this was super interesting. these guys are onto something. i did a deal with facebook. we integrated aim into pages of facebook. in that process, that's how i got to meet them. emily: what was he like at that time? chamath: high potential, but still very young. emily: did you know? did you have a