emily: there's a codename for you, charlie foxtrot, cf. which also stands for crazy f'er.re you a crazy f'er? chamath: yeah. ♪ ♪ emily: how did you end up in silicon valley? chamath: it was very accidental. when i graduated, i took a job in finance to relieve the immediate pressure i felt on my family. very quickly, i thought it was boring. my girlfriend at the time had -- who is now my wife -- had moved down here. that is how i came down here. i applied for a bunch of jobs. that's how it all started. emily: how did you get the job at facebook? chamath: i had known sean parker since the early 2000's. emily: he was president at that time? chamath: he said that he was going to be in washington, d.c. where aol's offices were. i'll be with mark zuckerberg, do you want to meet? we had a meeting and i thought this was super interesting. these guys are up to something. i did a deal with facebook. we integrated aim into pages of facebook. in that process, that's how i got to meet them. emily: what was he like at that time? chamath: high potential, but still very young. emily: did