you want to make it seem like there's only-- >> and charlie gasperino's point, the main reason, the amazingmeet them. >> and those obligation keep the taxes high. >> stockton, they're laying off policemen, there's a spike in crime, and if there's a main-- i need to find out which adam lashinsky rolls out here. one with the heart that cares about every cause or the financial genius, the one that understands that the math doesn't add up. >> there's nothing inaccurate what you're saying and i'm not saying this isn't a problem, i just repeat. five municipalities out of 50,000 is not -- it is not the worst crisis. >> you're right. i mean, we're talking about a minuscule amount of municipal bonds and the taxpayers get screwed a lot of ways because most hold those bonds and-- >> and you and i agree, by the way, charlie, is that a bankruptcy is not good for anybody, and point out-- >> adam, the reason why that those, those municipalities have fiscal problems, the ones that do, take out the outliar, the guy that -- the one that screwed up on the deal. the reason why, taxes are high. businesses are f