no it's interesting because only yesterday we were talkingg about charlie hebdo in the same. breath as the at the the whole story of the new york times global edition scrapping. satirical cartoons -- because one of those directly her cartoons two months ago was seen as offensive and anti semitic so it just order the it's weak people were using charlie hebdo. as a sort of a standard bearer if you like i think it's very important to defend at thihis freedom of expression and even if his fans. but i i just to show you a a a couple more comments in that regard and it. it many many people here know saying that freedom of faced with the with the with the hordes of sensors and pete and and went well thinking people etcetera. this is courage and it's this is showing courage and it's necessary. but it was the whole point is is it funny i think what it always come to the same question. i mean it's is it fully. and i think it's certainly offends a lot of people -- but i'm not sure if it's funny anyway in any case it sparks the whole debate the massacre at charlie hebdo was only four and

much higher and then he linked you can see first will the cartoon you did in the aftermath of charlie hebdo. wiwithout humor we are all dead. and indeed the new york times it took a very strong stance in favor of freedom of speech and in favavor of political cartoons after the charlie hebdo attacks. at this is a blog and longing at two eight shots and i just highlighted one quote their political cartoons were born with democracy and they're challenged. when freedom is at french cartoons such as a little too for the moment he responded as well very critical of the decision? and many others this is political whose -- not for kurt worker new york times really did fail this time decisions not long political cartoons -- body the opinion section is spineless so a lot of people reacting that way mark you also had. and what else did you have that this is -- on i tell me it's over the washington post she canceled her subscription and she said this is the standard message she got back. which was about striving to maintain the spirit of open debate separate separate she obviously kind of doesn't reall

obviously in your in the open or you mentioned the murders at the mass murder at the offices of charlie hebdo in paris there's currently one of my colleagues is in prison in turkey so there's there's a lot of problems around the world but yes this is a this is very this is a big deal this is one of those we really need to scramble we need to go to defcon for whatever metaphor you want this is a big deal it's a big active major media censorship. people listening to this might be quite concerned they might think is this you know the thin end of the wedge is it now becoming very difficult to make fun of to criticize the power as they in certain countries should we be worried are we are we getting a bit too carried away as. the thin end of the wedge as i said. well i mean people are going to respond and say look there's political satirical television and obviously political satire is alive and well on the internet and that's all well and good but when you're talking about a very venerable art form that you can literally find on the walls in the ruins of pompei being attacked simply picos of its f

the attack of the charlie had no offices, and in the second world war, dozens of cartoonists were on the gestapo list —— hebdou? they have a unique way of conveying a message and it's very powerful. you can use exaggeration, you can use irony, analogy, and these are unique to this particular medium. so it's a lot different to reading an article or a photograph, i think you have a unique way of conveying an opinion and a message and my concern is with the demise of newspapers and the censorship of cartoons, is about the loss of this particular craft. david, talk us through that. you send us a sample of three of your cartoons, we are going to put them on the screen now. can you talk us through the points you were trying to make? i can't see those. we are seeing a mix of several, in one we are seeing william barr, we're going to see a few more injust william barr, we're going to see a few more in just second, william barr, we're going to see a few more injust second, i think. certainly, with the william barr one, what kind of point were you trying to make? i think that he is on behalf of donald trump, really cen