to pair fries what was said, the days when charlie kominsky was paying players $3,000 an giving them flat champagne for winning the pennant, those days are long done. we're in a bold new world, but maybe we could talk about this after the break. we may be seeing this from a down side perspective, but from the nba perspective, there are some down sides. >> we'll get to that later. when we come back, a look bat the long-time distaste of betting on sports. the look at owners for opening this door, and the rookie on the phone has been replaced by the internet--or has he? learn i was kid, bookies, people who read morning lines. now the morning line is ubiquitous. television shows interview odds makers and millions of dollars are won and lost out in the open. what happened ? benjamin, was there a cultural shift? when did it become okay to openly bet on sports, and did it succeed in driving out the booky? >> well, as you both know ray, growing up in new york city that was the only way you could bet back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's up until the internet hit. in fact, i had a guy in astoria,