kennedy: good lord, joining me now charlie leduff, fox tv, the americans with charlie leduff, how are>> i am tired, a long trip. kennedy: what do you expects, what did you find? >> i found what i was expecting, he was met at airport, a chevy spark, you try to do that for a couple hours. this country is for white people as long as you are not catholic, jewish or gay. nit -- nomex mexicans and on and no, mexicans and on and on, the thing about heritage, that thing they did to capitol steps did not to much for the cause. kennedy: what drives these people are a mentally ill or brain washed or genetically distinguish? deputy, what explains this? >> like, my partner matt, the cameraman, he put it well, they are stupid, just stupid, you hear them, they complain about immigration and competing with illegal labor, i have heard that before, that is interesting and valid but you wrap it up with mexicans go back to mexico, and blacks go back to africa, that is absurd, that is the fringe i never would have hedge out with them, but sin since they are mag a spectical in carolina. kennedy: i know it

. >> let me welcome fox's charlie leduff from the americans. it is the depressing picture.oit, 0 they won the city to improve and stop killing each other. of a lying about it to make themselves feel better, what is going on? >> there is lack of honesty. body count, shootings are the same but the rest of crime is down. body count matters. in detroit we engage in this, we differentiate between a criminal homicide and justifiable homicide even though police chief wants people to carry guns and the justifiables are erased, somebody breaks into the house and you have to kill them is not an act of violence. we want to add them together and know what is going on because you can make all other crimes go down simply by not responding. >> all you have to do is shift bodies from one pile to the other and make this pile look smaller and it is up pile of something else, is this how other cities do it? do that a split difference between homicide and justifiable homicide? >> not one that i have ever spoken with, new york from previous years, doesn't bifurcate, up to reporters, to tell the