charlie leduff is a writer, journalist, television reporter. e: but there used to be two million people. that was rubber. that guy was steel. that guy was a doctor. this was what made america. the road started here. the automobile. frozen peas started here. credit on a mass scale started here. >> anthony: what was this like just before this or 20 years before. >> charlie: it was insane. and this is when it was like twice as many people here. this is the consequence because all the whites went. they took their money. they took their factories. the black middle class maintained for a while, and then it got too rough for them. so there's little pockets of feral hippies and older black folks, a couple white folks, some arabs, but this is 140 square miles. so you're going to get tall grass because it's back to the wild. >> anthony: it is one of the most beautiful cities in america. it speaks of those industrial age dreams of an endlessly glorious future, you know, people who built these structures, they were thinking big. >> charlie: they were. >> an

charlie leduff joining us. the putzer-prize winning author who has spent time on the border. coming up tonight the american families permanently separated from their children. >> president trump: the word "permanently" being the word you have to think about. permanently. not separated from a day or two days. they are permanently separated. >> martha: he is right about that. these people lost their children to illegal aliens. they were gathered in a large number today telling their stories with president trump. they are called angel moms. they will share their stories of what they think about all of this after the break. security: boarding passes out. sorry, one second it's loading, look. security: let's speed this up please. security: thank you. ♪ uh! ♪ can we fix this phone tonight? it's really slow. you can turn off the performance management feature. battery throttling. or you could just upgrade it. ♪ the super fast galaxy s9. available now. ♪ p3 it's meat, cheese and nuts. i keep my protein interesting. oh yea, me too. i have cheese and uh these herbs. p3 snacks. the more