so he came to charlie med and we made him a litter bearer. now, again you saw the helicopter. -- helicopters. when we first got up to khe sanh and joe and dr. feldman were actually there before me, it was a -- charlie med was a series of tents. sandbags up to about 4, 4 1/2 feet. i always wondered -- i'm going to ask a general some day if you're 6'1" and the sandbags are 4 1/2 feet high, what am i supposed to do with the upper foot of my body -- i never -- no one ever gave me a good answer to that question. at any rate part of the problem was the casualties would come in by chopper. and there was about a 20-yard run from the chopper to charlie med into the treatment bunker. and somebody had to take them off the chopper and get them into the bunker under heavy fire because the helicopters as you know were known as mortar magnets. spicer was one of those guys. everybody did it. but he was one of the leaders. carrying guys back. and then after we stabilized them we had to fly them out to a rear area. call the chopper in again. and the same fire