dizzie gillespie, charlie parker, miles davis. these are the people that were sent here to create this music and keep this music going. privilege.at priv i try to keep it while i am here. that is why i am practicing every day. tavis: you have been doing this for so long now, take me back to the very beginning. how did you settle on the sacks -- sax? >> i was born in harlem, i used to key all kinds of music in 1930. i became an ifici -- aficionado of lewis jordan. he was a rhythm and blues guy, the guy that was sort of an entertainer, would make jokes on the stage. like fats waller in a way. he had a five-piece band. that was really so -- i said, mother, you got to get -- my mother got me a second-hand alto saxophone. once i got that horn, i would go in the bedroom and i would be in there all day. come on, sonny. come out and eat supper. i was in my reverie then. when i was 7 years old or eight years old. i will tell you something, tavis. at that age, i knew that i would be a prominent musicians. tavis: how did you know that? >> i

think of charlie parker's bbop. one of the finest architects in the world fits that model.t the guggenheim among others. he joins me now. thank you form joining us. >> thank you. >> how do you come up with an idea? so much of what you have done was not conventional, was not the way buildings were build or the way people conceived of things. where did stuff come to you from? >> i'm very thorough which people probably don't realize. i do a lot of research. i spend a lot of time with the clients, with the site, with the program and invent as i go along ideas that respond to those. and in that process with the client involved and a clear understanding of budget and engineering and what can go on, we vet some directions together and they're complicit which i love because in the end when it looks strange, it want them -- they've been part of it. >> but the strangeness comes from where? >> well, i don't know why -- to me it's not strange. it looks like everything else is strange. and so stuff starts to unfold and little models and ideas and sketches. there are about 50 to 100 mode