sidewalk occupancy -- okay before i get into what level of plans we have charlie salter who is an a kucoustical expert. he's worked on so many a kouftal issues in san francisco for clubs and adjoining building and he was an expert witness when we were sued in a lawsuit against cable car noise. i mentioned there were 4 noise impacts dou agree with that categorization? >> i expanded laurences list he has in his hand out. is everybody familiar with the hand out page 3 item f under noise issues? so i was just going to cover the area of restaurant acoustics from my experience in san francisco. i have been working on restaurant projects in san francisco for 35 years. i have been involved in 150 different projects. breaking restaurant acoustics into various categories we have noise in the dining area itself. that's a subjective issue. it's not somebody the building department has standards for. some restaurants want it to be quiet so their patrons can carry on conversations. other restaurants want to be purposefully noisy so the customers come in and leave they don't want the customers to linger so th

we will try to go fast and in a half-hour charlie salter one of the city or nation's leading acousticalexerts will talk about noise issues related to restaurants patron noise, employee issues, fixed source noise and neighbor issues. we will briefly talk about those in 20 minutes to half an hour. >> agnus thanks, when is the spur stuff released 124 >> we are vetting it with the various departments now and wanting to test it out with a few restaurants and also our commission of take a look. it will probably be released sometime in the next couple of amongs. i think right now we would like to be that it works before we distribute it to all of you. if it isn't useful information obviously we are not getting the right information from the folks. >> thank you. >> as most restaurants or small businesses, i passed along to the small business commission onof my occurrence the fragility of businesses to either quake hazards. you need to be concerned about closures to either quakes, we are expecting either quake you need to consider business intrupss and safety and is this building appropriate for