for analysis charlie sikes conservative commentator and an msnbc contributor. mike, let me start with you, bring us up to speed. where are we in the action? >> you heard the reference to "braveheart" behind closed doors the republicans met the leaders presenting the plan. you're right i'm stand nearing the house floor. they're wrapping up debate. the whip the chief whip for house republicans steve scalise speaking on the floor. "brave heart" one thing, kevin mccarthy put up general george patton to try to fire up his troops today. it's one thing, craig, when republican leaders or any congressional leaders say to the public they're moving forward and confident they will have the votes an here we have speaker ryan walking by. exchanging pleasantries with some of our producers here. i'm actually joined right now by the chief whip, mr. scalise, fresh off the floor, we were just watching you there. thank you for live on msnbc. this is a republican goal, since 2009, when obamacare the affordable care act passed. you've been talking about campaigning on repealing obam

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to discuss today's stunning news, jason johnson, charlie pierce and conservative commentator, charlie sikescharlie, i want to start with you. so john mccain at a dinner to honor him just said that trump scandals have reached a watergate size and scale which is a striking thing. and you have been writing about -- charlie sikes, you've been writing about the fact that there's a kind of hermetic seal around a bunch of the news a lot of conservatives are consuming which seems like a genuine legitimacy crise, i a constitutional crisis in the making brewing. to a lot of people, they are getting a story the media is terrible. >> yeah, do not underestimate the ability of the alternative reality media on the right to deflect what is going on. we have these different echo chambers. and right now they're in a completely different world. this is about nothing. it's about fake news. maybe it's about fake news but the real story is about the leak. okay. he did nothing wrong. he was appropriate plus whatever hillary did was a lot worse. ultimately, this will be up to republicans to decide the fate of the

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. >> let's get the charlie sikes op-ed into the discussion and talks about discussion there ant conservativeheart is the delight in the frustration and anger of his opponents if liberals like something. each controversy reinforces the divisions and mistrust and mr. trump counts on that. the conservatives have lost what it means to be a conservative. >> i think many people come to conservatism for different reasons and a lot driven by the opposition to the left and why a lot of the conservative movement went to president trump and with his flaws they felt he was battering ram against the left and charlie psych sykes. >> even like you heard lindsey graham on the russia question for example, even those most dedicated to sort of upholding what had been their prior principles and least connected with donald trump, are not ready to jump ship yet. lindsey graham is not calling for a special prosecutor yet. there's distance yet to cover, i think, before you see any sort of mass defections. >> how that plays out we look ahead to 2018, particularly on the republican side with one gop operative saying

joining me now to talk about it jonathan swan, national political reporter for axios, charlie sikes,snbc contributor, and stephanie ruhle, msnbc anchor and business correspondent. jonathan, let me start with you. s michael dubke resigning. what's w.h. whose owes's on the bubble and who's on the move. >> the macro view of it is that there's been a recognition at the top they're not prepared with to deal with the new normal, daily stories about fbi investigation, russia, comey, they don't have the tools to deal with that. for who's ascended, in one way you could say steve bannon, somewhat ascended because the people that are being discussed now to potentially come into the white house or support from the outside are folks like david bossie, corey lewandowski, former campaign hands like david urban, people that are friendly to steve bannon. >> so stephanie, one of the folks that may be headed to the white house, bossie, deputy campaign manager, what he said this morning when asked about whether there was even an opening. >> they've talked to, you know, many people including me. >> david

let's bring in our panel michael crowley senior foreign affairs correspondent at politico, charlie sikeservative commentator and msnbc contributors, mark ginsburg, former u.s. ambassador to morocco and white house middle east policy adviser under president carter. mr. ambassador, let me start with you here, this is general mcmaster last hour, sort of defending if you will what happened during that meeting last week. take a listen. >> i stand by my statement that i made yesterday. what i'm saying is really the premise of that article is false, that in any way the president had a conversation that was inappropriate or resulted in any kind of lapse in national security. >> ambassador, you contend it was a nugget at the end of that briefing by general mcmaster last hour that we should be paying closest attention to. what was that? >> well, it was a nugget that mcmaster, the national security adviser, said. the president himself was not completely briefed on the sources of that information and in the context. craig, we have to understand, the president himself has said, i don't like sitting t

charlie sikes, "the new york times" about the conservative movement says right now the movement mirrors are no fixed values, no respect for constitutional government or ideas of personal character, only a free float in anilism and he was talking about the anti-anti-trump faction that has taken over the conservative media. jenna goldberg writing a powerful piece talking about how too many of the conservative movement have sold their soul. >> attacking trump. rather than say okay i think the president is handling this right or that right, they look at all the mainstream media piling on him and resent it. they think it's a bunch of elites on the coast out to get the guy that represents them. that's one thing really holding up his numbers right now among republican conservatives in particular, because all this criticism seems so, to them, to be a function of establishment reaction. and, you know, that's enough to hold him for the moment but it's not a very positive force going forward. and it doesn't stick around forever. with george w. bush we saw -- joe, you obviously were part of that co

. >> while you do bring in charlie sikes, radio commentator and host of msnbc contributor, how is this playing in the heartland? you're in milwaukee. >> well, i agree with what joe scarborough just had to say about the real challenge to congressional republicans here. i think a lot of people are wondering, you know, when are republicans going to make a little -- put a little distance here. this thing was an optic disaster before today. and now it just gets worse. and i think joe made an absolutely outstanding point when he drew a parallel between the inappropriateness of the meeting between bill clinton and loretta lynch. not everything that is inappropriate is necessarily illegal. i think we sometimes rely on the norms of a democratic society and, you know, at this point, to be obvious we have a president that doesn't have a lot of respect for those norms. but again, this thing started off awkwardly and it is getting worse. you know, the fact that we have had almost everything that was said from that podium yesterday, rendered inoperative within 24 hours, is a rather -- is rather extr