we are going to hear next from charlie stenholm and jim nussle. i wonder if each of you can speak about what do you think will force something to happen? if this can't go on forever, it won't, but how do we get from here to there without collision? charlie? >> well, i think that elections have a little to do with that and that is why we are hoping the current house and senate will take a look at these recommendations and put forward a plan that they will run on for next november. that is one of the answers of that, but i think the significant part of this discussion now some of the skeptical questions that keep coming up is i think the american people now understand the difference between deficits and debt. as you build your credit card deficit ultimately you have to pay for it. as i like yogi berra's version of the quote that which cannot go on forever usually won't. and now hindsight most people know the home prices could not go on up word for ever and then use all certainly the market took over. you can see this evidence and many of their perso

. >> bill frenzel and charlie stenholm. one from each party spirit i don't want to talk about peoria. and i would subscribe to what what they have said about the public seems to be getting a little better notion of how bad our debt problem is, and what the ramifications are if we don't change our ways. and so there is some hope there. one of the possible effects that may play in peoria is the conservative candidates will do a little bit better in this election and we will have another polarized stand up in two years. i hope that wouldn't happen, but the citizens of peoria will have to make that decision, i believe. i support jim jones on the other level of government. you can't keep coming back to this well anymore. we are about dry, and they're going to have to find new ways to deliver services. they're going to have to make resources that they have go farther. some governors have done that very successfully, and others who don't will be shortly replaced i suspect. >> i have never really gave a rip about how peoria thought

>> those who are c-span junkies or budget junkies know that charlie stenholm and i have had a few debates and disagreements over the years, just a few. but we come together on a commission like this and have proven, i think, in a bipartisan way that you can come up with a solution, you can come up with a mechanism. it isn't pretty. isn't going to be popular. it isn't going to be easy. i was at a family gathering over the weekend and part of the reasons we love each other and part of the reasons we fight is because we are sometimes more similar than we wish to admit. and there are many similarities between the parties when it comes to wanting things and not being willing to pay for them. promising things and not being willing to deal with the consequences in the short term. that has caught up with both parties. and i think what you will hopefully see is a political solution to your problem. you don't want a market-based mechanism or a market based even that will cause the parties to have to come together to deal with this. you want this to happen politically as a family, coming together as

. >> bill frenzel and charlie stenholm get to give the benediction. >> talking about peoria, and i would subscribe to what alice and doug have said, that the public seems to be getting a little better notion of how bad our debt problem is and what the ramifications are if we don't change our ways, so there is some hope there. one of the possible effects in peoria out is that, is that the conservative candidates will do a little bit better in this election and we will have another polarized standoff for two years. i had hoped that would happen but the citizens of peoria will have to make that decision, ivy league. i support jim jones on the other level of government. you can't keep coming back to this well any more. we are about dry, and they are going to have to find new ways to deliver services. they are going to have to make resources that they have go far there. some governors have done that very successfully, and others, who don't will be shortly replaced i suspect. >> mr. stenholm? >> i never really gave a rip how peoria thought about it. it was texas that i was concerned about. [la