charlie sykes with me, along with john kasich, former republican governor of ohio, and msnbc analyst. pure cringe? >> well, i mean, look what they had to do as part of the audition, part of the vp apprentice show that kevin mccarthy is talking about. they have to mimic donald trump's every bit of rhetoric. they have to prove that they are also election denialists, marco rubio is refusing to say he wouldn't move out of florida. you have elise stefanik, attacking the special prosecutor, and adopting donald trump's use of the word hostage to describe the january 6th rioters. the ghost of mike pence haunts all of this because donald trump just does not want to go through having another vice president. by the way, the one person he can not fire, someone who might have vestiges of conscience, who might say no at a crucial point. it's not just loyalty that he's looking for. he has to find somebody who is willing to do absolutely anything. and what you see is each of these candidates lined up saying, i'm willing to do the nastiest, dirtiest things. i'm willing to overturn elections. in kristi

i'm going to be talking to charlie sykes about that in a little bit. that is, you know what, stay conservative. don't go along with the authoritarian. don't go along with the guy that wants to amass more power in the white house and more power in washington, d.c., than any president in american history. so her choice is support an authoritarian and a guy who has promised he's going to be an authoritarian, and i could go down the list, but he is promising it every day. "vote for me," donald trump says, "and i will be a menace to american democracy." nikki haley basically hinted at that and also called him a bully. said he was unstable. said he was unhinged, too unhinged to get a driver's license, as mika said. now, it's like, oh, biden, he's a disaster. i love how they talk about biden being a disaster. they can't really name anything. they go, oh, student loans, it's so horrible. they compare student loans with people trying to overthrow american democracy, not understanding just how out of it and how stupid. they don't call joe biden a socialist or a

charlie sykes, i start with you.e biden. >> you did remind me how little i was looking forward to another debate between these two guys. i mean, i'd rather have root canal surgery. i'm of two minds on this. i actually agreed with david who wrote in the atlantic that joe biden should refuse to debate donald trump because that normalizes him. he wrote that what president biden's spokesman should say is the president does not participate in forums with a person under criminal indictment for his attempt to overthrow the constitution. i agree with that. on the other hand, i think that from a political point of view there's no way that joe biden could not debate donald trump and so he's gone on the offensive. i'm also a little bit skeptical because a lot of things can happen between now and the dates of these debates and so right now donald trump is all bravado saying he's going to testify in his trial, which he's not going to. said that he will debate twice or three times, which he may or may not do. so we're just going t

charlie sykes, please. two, according to "the new york times"-sienna poll there will be an article coming up in a couple of days. thank you, charlie. i appreciate it. i said i was very grateful for mike johnson for finally approving aid to ukraine, but "the new york times," right next to this poll story right here which one of 800, but a very important story here about russia starting to make really rapid gains in ukraine. the reason why? because donald trump wanted to help vladimir putin and he froze the house of representatives and mike johnson was obsequious for far too long. when johnson finally changed his mind and i'll give him the benefit of the doubt, just because, but you know, i think by that point i think the responsible people in the party came to him and said listen, we'll get this through with or without you. but i just want to say, even while we thank him for what he did, the cost of his delay, devastating to ukraine and -- and a gift that keeps on giving to vladimir putin. >> yeah. two quick

and msnbc columnist charlie sykes is here.we interesting, we live in this time, where i know your editor and publisher has spoken about his where truth is on the line. and telling the story with pictures is one of the, i would presume, the most effective ways to get the truth out to even those not inclined to believe it. tell me the power of these images of the two flags that have flown above the alitos' homes. >> thank you for having me. the first report about the upside down flag, that one speaks for itself. because people have a visceral response when they so the upside down flag but with the new flag, the pine tree flag, maybe not as obvious. i guess would 90% of people have not seen its flag. this is kind of where it's getting a lot of its press. and the history of this flag is fascinating. i'm sure we'll get into it soon but these people are trying to make the government to be a lot more christian values, christian nationals you could say on the far right, than other better uses. it's fascinating to see the images. there

charlie sykes. yesterday in her first public appearance since exiting the race in march. followed by what she was saying about trump during the primary. >> i put my priorities on a president who's going to have the backs of our allies and hold our enemies to account. who would secure the border. no more excuses. a president who would support capitalism and freedom. a president who understands we need less debt and not more debt. trump has not been perfect on these policies. i have made that clear many, many times, but biden has been a catastrophe. so, i will be voting for trump. having said that, i stand by what i said in my suspension speech. trump would be smart to reach out to the millions of people who voted for me and continue to support me, and not assume that they are just going to be with him. and i genuinely hope he does that. >> you know, that is one of the most remarkably onboard from facts description on why you're voting for donald trump i've ever heard. i mean, it is mind boggling that

author of "how the right lost its mind," charlie sykes. and u.s. ty's podcast, "the rest is politics u.s.," which she hosts with anthony scaramucci. available to download now. charlie, not a big revelation from the president in that interview that donald trump will not honor the results of the election. of course, given what we saw in 2024, in 2020, and what he's signalled for this fall, as well, but also that the republican party, some of those members who perhaps want to be his vice presidential nominee, falling in line when asked by kristen welker on "meet the press," for example, on sunday, six different times, senator scott would not commit to honoring the outcome of the election. >> no, i mean, that is a very, very safe bet, that donald trump is not going to graciously concede defeat because he never does. but it is interesting watching the auditioning for vice president and, you know, sort of the ghost of mike pence hangs over all of this. donald trump doesn't just want loyalty but slavish loyalty. he wants a guarantee that, in fact, the vice

and msnbc contributor and author of the book "how the right lost its mind," charlie sykes.sident did at morehouse? >> i thought it was a very good speech. i thought that he really made some very key points, including his outright call for an immediate cease-fire. but i also think where he listed things like the george floyd justice and policing act, the voting rights act, specific things about how black unemployment is down in terms of record unemployment, so it was a substantive speech and inspirational. it was at a place that many of us see as sacred ground, martin luther king jr. came from morehouse, among many others. i thought it was the place to do it. i thought the students protested. it was a small amount, but they did it with the dignity that did not scar the school. at the same time, respected the graduation. i thought it was a win-win for both the students and for the president. >> one of the colleges, most esteemed graduates, eddie glaude jr., happens to be with us right now. talk about why this speech at this location, at this time was so important, eddie? >> f

plus minnie is here, and charlie sykes joins us with me at the table, the host of the independent americansg your tweets around all week, because you are peeling a layer off the story that nobody else is. just explain your views, let's start with yesterday what we saw yesterday, and the trump and response from republicans. >> you mean -- yeah, so, you know, i put a chapter of macheezmo in my book "strong men" because i saw no book that tau about misogyny at the glue. not only is it a man that doesn't have to ask for consent in the political realm, it's a man who has all the women, who can do whatever he wants with female bodies as well. so, this is -- this is trump's brand, the lawless brute is his brand. that's what he's been selling since 2016. so, getting away with it has repercussions in the sphere of female rights and female dignity as well as politics. >> ruth, there's a lot of mythology around trump's political superman skills, that he survived, he was elected after "access hollywood." on one level trump didn't think that was true. that's why he paid to keep stormy daniels quiet. on

i know charlie sykes talked about this as well i think.al and see the members follow him there and essentially try to interfere with the administration of justice, to tell the american people that the courts now are corrupt, to try to undermine the judiciary, to see the members of the house republican caucus do that is a grave threat. it is part of the insidious that leads to january 6th to suggest that because law and order can't be trusted, we then have to take this in our own hands, they might be wearing blue suits and red ties but each of one of them might as well be carrying the pitchforks and bats we saw on january 6th because they are challenging the democracy in that courtroom just as much as the protesters on january 6th were. >> and miles, just believe matt gaetz if you're a maga republican and you're don't believe david jolly. this is reporting. standing back and standing by, mr. president, gaetz wrote, he posted a photo of social media of him with other congressional republicans standing behind trump in a hallway outside courtr