, nice charlie sykes, from wisconsin, that it was charlie sykes who would use that profanity on. i'm stunned by that, number 2, charlie, the prediction of this being the dumbest and most idiotic, all of those adjectives, i think you have forgotten the republican debate in 2016 that revolved around trump and marco rubio, talking about the size of their respective genitalia. the third thing that charlie said, and i have a lot of respect and a lot of time for the argument that by doing this debate that joe biden is normalizing trump and there was a case to say that we will not stand on stage with trump. i think the case morally and ethically, you could make that argument. i do think politically, that if biden decided not to debate trump and given the frame of the election that trump has which is, me strong, you, week, and the fact that you know, at least -- i'll say this over and over again, nobody is really ahead but trump is not losing right now and i think the biden campaign, giving them that stick to be them with, that biden was too afraid of trump to debate, that would have be

most profane people i know, charlie sykes, nice charlie sykes from wisconsin, charlie sykes who would use that profanity on the air. i am stunned by this, number one, number two, the prediction of this being the dumbest most idiotic, whatever, all those agitators. i think you have forgotten the republican debate in 2016 that revolved around donald trump and talking about their size of their respective . no matter what you think about this debate, it won't be that bad. >> i mean general election. >> okay, fine, all right. maybe. but i think the third thing, and this is, i have a lot of respect and a lot of time for the argument that by doing this debate at all with joe biden is normalizing donald trump and that there was a case for them to say, well we are not standing on stage with donald trump. i think the case morally, the case ethically, you can make that argument. i do think politically that if joe biden had decided not to be donald trump and give the freedom of the election that trump has, which is me strong, you week. and the fact that at least in we have a very tight race here,

and charlie sykes, msnbc political contributor and columnist. thank you for being here. ng to start with you, because from what i understand you don't agree with anything i ■çjust said. >> look, the reality is 50 million people saw what happened on thursday night and they are not going to on ceat. it was not just 90 minutes. it was a shocking moment that comes after years of doubt and speculation about joe biden's age. look, this did not take place in a vacuum. there was an abc poll in february in which 86% of americans said they thought joe biden was too old. at some point we have to move past the denialism and the gas lighting. they need to have a conversation about two things. number one, you know, what is joe biden's condition, but also, and this is the heart ■çof it, what he needs to be judged on, and i agree he should be judged on the four years of his presidency, but the 2024 election is not a gold watch. what he needs to be judged on is can he prevent donald trump from getting back in the white house? that is the question democrats have to ask themselves. do they

i'm joined now by charlie sykes.and convictions, our response should be investigations into what. there aren't crimes to investigate. they're just going to make them up. >> donald trump has been talking about this for months now as you pointed out. i think there might be a tendency to say that's just donald trump. that's his own personal obsession. but i think what you have to notice is two things. number one, that he's created a constituency within the republican party for this, and perhaps an infrastructure as well. personnel is often policy. i think this is why you need to take all of these threats deadly seriously because in trump 2.0, he will surround himself with people like you have identified, who are more than willing to do his bidding, whatever the underlying evidence is. so this is one of those cases where donald trump is explicitly telling us what he's going to do, and the republican party and the conservative movement is falling into line in rather extraordinary way, and then creating the intellectual an

and nice charlie sykes from wisconsin that it was charlie sykes who would say, use that, brought thatst, idiotic, i think you forgot the debate in 2016 with donald trump and marco rubio talking about the size of their genitalia. what charlie said on the sub -- fine. maybe. the third thing, i have a lot of respect and a lot of time for the argument that by doing this debate at all, that joe biden is normalizing donald trump and there was a case for them to say we will not stand on stage with donald trump. i think the case morally, the case ethically you could make that argument. i do think politically if joe biden had decided not to debate donald trump and given the frame of the election trump has, which is me, strong, you, weak, and the fact that you know, at least in some of the, we have a very tight race here. i'll say it over and over again. i don't think anybody's ahead. but trump's not losing right now and the biden campaign, giving them that stick to beat them with, that joe biden was too afraid of donald trump to debate, i think that would have been a political mistake. >> i do

join manage know is charlie sykes and kimberly atkins stohr. charlie, i will start with you.at the mayor had to say about trump's comment. >> donald trump wants to talk about things that he thinks are horrible. we lived through his presidency. right back at you, buddy. i would say that. obviously, donald trump is wrong about something yet again. i find it kind of perplexing, kind of strange that he would insult the largest city in wisconsin, because he is running for president, he wants to win wisconsin, win the election. so to insult the state that's hosting your convention i think is bizarre, actually. it's unhinged in a way. >> there we saw the second part, the mayor. charlie, is this something that's going to hurt trump in such a critical state? >> you never know what people are going to remember in november. we speculate about whether this or that will break through. trust me, this broke through. every single person in the state of wisconsin heard what donald trump said and is watching it. it's leading the news broadcasts. it's the banner headline in all of the newspaper

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. >>> joining us now msnbc contributor and author of the book "how the right lost its mind" charlie sykes the supreme court. first of all, your reaction to the delay and how long this has taken, a delay that may push the january 6 trial beyond the election. that's first, and second, what are your concerns like we heard from the former attorney general as to what the supreme court may rule? >> well, the delay has been the story. the delay is a decision because for all practical purposes the supreme court has granted donald trump immunity because it seems extremely unlikely that the january 6 trial will take place before the election, and, of course, this did not have to happen. i believe it was andrew weissmann who has pointed out it's been 112 days since jacks smith had asked the court for a ruling in all of this, so the foot-dragging has already perhaps been decisive on this case, and i have to say that i -- i share the attorney general's concerns about this. look, this ought to be a slam dunk decision. the appellate court in washington, d.c. came down with what all the to have been the

in the words of our dear friend charlie sykes.re's something about a felony conviction that clarifies the mind or better put by an old adage, coopted from the grandmother of a former republican congressional lawyer writing for "politico," quote, there's a running day and a catching day, and thursday donald trump got caught. joining us now, nbc news correspondent, dasha burns. we're going to get to the analysis of all of this in a moment, but on thursday, donald trump did get caught. he faced consequences. real consequences. criminal consequences of the like that he has never faced in his lifetime. he had the civil fraud judgments. those were huge. this is the sort of thing that can put him in prison. what was the reaction over the weekend? what's the reaction today? >> they are leaning into this. it's interesting to look at the polls. i wish they were more satisfying but they are just a snapshot in time. as you said, the election is not tomorrow. right? so what can we really glean from this. what i see on the part of the former pr

this is a lot, charlie sykes, like a preseason game. it's june. the election is in november. there are, you know -- the famous -- maybe it was harold wilson or mcmillen who said in politics, a week is a lifetime. we have five, five and a half months unthil. until this. this is really early, isn't it? >> i'm glad you're giving us the reality check. of course, this debate is pivotal. it is incredibly important, but we live in an era of just constant amnesia. you do this every day, right? sometimes at the end of the week, you look back and say, what actually happened this week? something that happened two weeks ago feels like it happened in a different era. that's important. as for, you know, undecided voters, there was a survey in wisconsin yesterday of registered voters that found the race tied 50/50, which is amazing. that means there's no undecided voters out there. again, there's a lot of things that are going to happen, and, you know, as john heilemann pointed out, you're going to have this post debate spin that's going to be as significant as anything that happened. i'm f

we're back with david jolly and charlie sykes. mike johnson is sort of an amazing maga underworld, underbelly figure. talk about the series of choice he's making around steve bannon. >> well, it's the same series of choices he's made around what he's willing to do for donald trump, what he's willing to say, how he's willing to have the house of representatives turned into an instrument of the obstruction of justice. it's bizarre and i'm sorry to repeat the phrase, it is not normal for congressional leaders faced with serious issues to spend, you know, this much time trying to keep somebody like steve bannon out of jail. but it is an indication of what the congressional republican party the, and what they feel they need to do to, you know, to throw sops to both donald trump and the maga world. and it's an indication of what you would get if there was a trump 2.0 presidency. if anyone thinks that would be any resistance on the part of congressional leaders to the worst abuses of the trump administration, look at the way they're beha

that's wisconsin's own charlie sykes. charlie, they can try to spin it.because they're trump republicans, saying, oh, he never said that. his spokesperson, oh, that's b.s., trump never said that. then, of course, we find out later -- you hate beer. you don't have to pretend anymore. >> okay. >> then later, they admitted that he said it. and we're spinning the rest of the day. the fact is, let's just say what it is. donald trump trashed the most important city in the upcoming 2024 election. you know why? because he's donald trump. >> yeah. and then, by the way, joe and mika, you're making me thirsty this morning. even by milwaukee standards, it's a little bit early. i mean, this is a farce inside of a fiasco. it was really interesting watching local republicans struggling to get their stories straight after donald trump dumps on milwaukee. again, thank you for the montage at the beginning. look, i am a milwaukeean. i've been there a very, very long time. look, we have our struggles. there are messes. there are challenges. but this is a great city on a grea

how a republican supreme ■çcour is reshaping america and charlie sykes. r being herement charlie, i'm going to start with you. because from what i understand, you don't agree with anything i just said. >> look, the reality is, that 50 million people saw what happened on thursday night and they are not going to unsee it. it was not just 90 minutes. it was a shocking moment that comes after years of doubts and speculation about joe biden's age. 86% of americans said they thought joe biden was too old. so at some point, we have to move ■çpast the denialism and gaslighting. if they need to have the conversation about two things. number one, you know, what is joe biden's condition? he should be judged on the four years of his presidency. but the 2024 election is not a gold watch. what he need to be judged on is can he prevent donald trump from getting back into the white house? and that's the question democrats have to ask themselves. they have to have this conversation. if there is not a plan b and i don't know if the democrats have a plan b, what ■çis lc? how

charlie sykes, vaughn, andrew and the rev are here.tform used to be a real thing with real debates about some of the most polarizing cultural issues. not as much debate around foreign policy. it used to be a real thing. and the last one they did -- actually, the first one was give russia what they want. the second one was, we're for trump. the third one is now for something that's led to criminal indictments across five states, election denialism. >> there's nothing surprising about it it. it is on brand. they're about to nominate donald trump. donald trump has turned the rnc into a wholly owned subsidiary of his own ego. this is exactly what you would expect. the entire convention will center on the nomination of trump and then his selection of vice president and they are also auditioning. who can be the most aggressive in kissing up to donald trump and embracing his stop the steal rhetoric? this juxtaposition you have is very, very interesting. and i was thinking as i was listening to you, the question michael cohen was asking after

charlie sykes, thank you again for your time, my friend. it's great to see you. >> thank you. >>> still to come this evening we have some new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall's election on your local newscast. >>> plus, when it comes to trump's criminal conviction, republican need a reality check. we have one. that's next. d a reality check. we have one. that's next. are you still struggling with your bra? it's time for you to try knix. makers of the world's comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com norman, bad news... i never graduated andfrom med school.-cup, what? -but the good news is... xfinity mobile just got even better! now, you can automatically connect to wifi speeds up to a gig on the go. plus, buy one unlimited line and get one free for a year. i gotta get this deal... i know... faster wifi and savings? ...i don't want to miss that. that's amazing doc. mobile savings

president of media matters angela caruso, plus charlie sykes is here.table the host of on brand donny deutch and msnbc political analyst mark casey. i peaked at fox news. i turned it on when trump was convicted and when hunter biden was convicted. i use it to understand the depths of right wing detachment from reality. this is different. this is softer and probably more effective. nothing illegal about it. it's an important thing to have on the radar. i hope it's something the biden campaign has on the radar as we head into the meat of the general election conversation. >> here's what we've got to come to terms with. life and the media are not fair. they're getting less and less fair and things are frightening. you have "wall street journal" running a horribly sourced piece saying biden is unfit. then you have local news people more insidiously reading a script about it. you know what the answer is? a 90-minute debate with joe biden. he has to answer the bell. the democrats haven't done themselves a favor by not having him out there as much as he should

charlie sykes is an msnbc columnist. dasha, i know you've got new insights into donald trump's debate prep. what are you hearing from his campaign? >> reporter: the trump campaign and the former president himself seem pretty proud, actually, of the stark contrast in preparation between president biden and former president trump. the former president is not doing the kind of formal, mock debate prep that president biden is doing. instead, he's been out campaigning. holding informal policy sessions with advisers and members of congress and some of his potential running mate contenders. i asked his spokeswoman and how they're viewing this debate and preparing. here's what she had to say. >> president trump himself is well prepared. he's been continuing with his very busy schedule, engaging in hostile media interviews with the press, which is great debate prep for anyone. he's also been meeting with the most important audience of all, which is the american people. a sharp contrast from what we hear from the biden campaign. o

joining us now, gary grumbach in rehoboth beach, delaware, and vaughn hillyard, and charlie sykes, msnbcwe know about preparations for president biden for this debate? >> these two candidates have very different ways of preparing for a presidential debate. president biden is going to prepare at camp david for several days. he'll be having conversations with advisers, and eventually doing mock 90 minute debates. somebody, we don't know who yet, will be playing former president donald trump and they'll be going at it as if it were a real debate. they'll focus on the policy aspect of all of this. are you better off four years ago than you are right now. what do you want to see happen in the next four years? specifically on the topics of reproductive rights and of the economy. then there is also going to be the attack side of things here. how is president biden going to handle the very much expected attacks from former president trump? sometimes these attacks are known to get a little bit personal, especially as we have seen hunter biden on trial recently. we expect hunter biden to be a topi

. >> charlie sykes, contributor, thanks for joining us, and thanks for all of you for getting up with its "way too early" on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> the heat is bad for the bad between the hotter it gets, the harder it is to find your words. wow. cucumber. hot weather can result in lower scores on math tests as well as higher rates of aggression ranging from mean-spirited behavior to violent crime. well, that explains florida. >>> the heat wave is also blasting washington, d.c. when people complain it being over 90 president biden is like see, 81 isn't so bad. just saying. i'm not kidding. it's hot out there. i spent all day sweating like a fox news anchor trying to explainp juneteenth. >>> good morning. welcome to "morning joe," it's wednesday, june 20th. millions of people from the midwest to the northeast will face extreme heat for a fourth straight day. the national weather service is predicting record highs again in several areas, and the heat is expected to last into the weekend. >>> also, tropical storm alberto, the first named storm of the hurr

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