but the lesson that is most relevant now is one at the end of charlie wilson's war.mall investment of continued support after the war tapers down can be a stitch in time that saved nine, can be an investment that saves the long- term investment -- security interests of america. host: here's a tweet. guest: almost certainly. host: that will still be our biggest investment? guest: no, i'm sorry. we will still be the biggest investor in afghanistan, but we will have much bigger investments in egypt and other places. afghanistan is a place would -- where we will continue to send economic assistance in the low billions of dollars, security assistance in the low billions of dollars. the security existence cannot predict two or three bases where we can assist the afghan government and afghan security forces for the long term. but it will no longer be the place in the world where we must invest. host: we will go back to virginia. republican caller there. caller: hello to you. i'm originally from afghanistan. i just moved into the united states recently. i was there during th

also, in the movie "charlie wilson's war." in the movie, charlie wilson pleaded for continued american assistance to afghanistan, having successfully toppled the soviet union, having brought some degree of freedom to afghanistan. charlie wilson said that we can meet our responsibility to the afghan people for pennies on the dollar. we feel to do so. -- we failed to do so. the taliban came to power and offered a home to al qaeda and the results were not in the american interests. i thinkit is worth remembering that history as we think about what is again going to be a pennies security and economic development. host: here is a tweet. is there a lesson to be learned is that what you're saying? be learned from the soviet invasion of afghanistan. the soviets conducted counterinsurgency very poorly in afghanistan. they intentionally targeted civilians. they used very brutal tactics. the afghan people. as we have conducted our own counterinsurgency campaign, we have tried to learn from those losses. i think we have done infinitely be

go to charlie wilson who was head of general motors out there.of the ceo was to support the interest of the stakeholders, not the shareholders. it includes the bankers, the customers, the flint michigan if you will of the world, and they tried to spread the wealth. share the wealth. the new bully of business is what i call wedge economics. you take care of the people at the top, the ceo, the top executives, the investors, and the people in the middle get stuck. if you look at the pay of the average male american work it is exactly as it was in 1978. that's three decades of the middle class going nowhere, while the ceos are making 300, 400% more so it happened in the economy and in politics and policy. >> jennifer: and we talk about that growing inequality here a lot, and the question is what do you do about it? you describe an era where there was something called a vertous circle. you paid your people enough to buy your products and felt connected to the community. how do you get back to that in this global economic? >> isn't that a wild idea? if

if you saw charlie wilson's war, at the very ending of the movie when he says i raised all this money, billions of dollars for arms to the opposition to fight off the soviets but i couldn't raise a couple of million dollars for education. it's the same kind of problem. we're not good at figuring out what alternatives are and as a result libya destabilized and a lot of the arms that went into libya, a lot of the forces that were militarized flowed not just into mali and algeria but across a huge chunk of northwest africa. as a result you see a huge destabilization that's affect in turn little tunisia in between algeria and libya, it has affected egypt. there is a whole section of africa that is very vulnerable to jihadist extremists. >> you know, i think that's what important here is that while it may have been unintended that this would empower a wide range of militarized forces, it's not only, quote, jihadists but a lot of people with a lot of guns. but it was not unanticipated. it was talked about widely. it was anticipated that it would happen more inside libya rather than over lib

because, charlie, one of the great untold stories right now is what's going to happen in offensive football with these quarterbacks. russell wilson of seattle. colin kaepernick. cam newton in carolina. all these guys are so much more than just pocket quarter backs. they do so many different things and the strategy involved and the excitement involved. and so i just think -- i was saying to the inventor of one of these formations, it's a college coach nameñr chris alt who usedo coach colin kaepernick in nevada i said this is as exciting a time as i remember on the field since i've ever covered the n.f.l. because -- >> rose: a number of very good quarter backs who can do everything. >> who are playing the game differently. everybody always says oh, keep your quarter back in the pocket you don't want to get him hurt. but now everybody is saying well okay, i'm going to tell my quarterback at the first sign that he's going to get killed dive down, don't take the big hit. but all these guys, just watch, they don't take those huge hits. but they get out in the open field and make things happen. look at russell wilson, he plays like fran