joining us and is also joined with bernard powers, director for the center for the study of slavery in charlston. welcome to both of you. let me start with lauren and the headline in this piece, this uncovering of the artist known slave auction in the united states, explain what you were doing and what the project you were working on and how did you make this discovery? guest: is interned during graduate school at the center for slavery and i had been sitting in my room doing newspaper research in the archives at slave traders in charleston during that time period and stumbled across it. i had been doing that job for a few months and happened upon it. host: what did you come upon? guest: the sale of 600 people. i thought it might have been a misprint and i emailed dr. powers and we had a meeting and realized it was real. host: when you saw that number, the sale of a 600 enslaved people, what was your first reaction? guest: shock but also knowing that these auctions happened in the past and knowing that the biggest time up till that was 426. it was jarring to me. host: professor powers, when you

the night before, when they said it would be a category four and maybe a hurricane when it hit charlstonned our eyes a lot when the storm was headed our way. but when we saw the rain more inland than on the coast, which we don't see a lot, and the winds were not sustained as much, i think we are always prepared for the potential of damage that hurricane can do and we were prepared when it came to this one, but we are breathing a sigh of relief that it is not as bad as we thought it could have been. christian: the lights are out, the power is off, and it is pretty steamy there at the moment. are you getting any idea of how quickly air-conditioning will come back on? >> they were putting the power back on last night, as a matter of fact. the utility companies bring in help from different states as need be, and we had thousands without power last night. the big thing we are talking about right now and will be talking about on our newscast is beach erosion. all the beaches and islands around here took a hit. they always take a hit when it comes to beach eroon -- it's loggerhead sea turtles t

it certainly includes the "lone wolf shootings" in jacksonville and buffalo and charlston and christchurch and pittsburgh. we can go on and on. this is all part of the same movement. it is an opportunistic movement. it will use this moment for recruitment as it always does. so, it would be a huge mistake to think these sentences will slow the activity of this movement. this is like cutting the head off a hydra. we are still very much under threat. laura: seamus, do you think americans are becoming desensitized to this increased level of white supremacist, extremist violence? seamus: absolutely, unfortunately. it reminds me a lot of school shootings in terms of the ability for our public and media to move onto the next day. jacksonville was only a 24 hour story, for folks out there where it is real life and stays with the victims there forever. the problem when you talk about this, the normalization of violence. i worry less about the president, the former president getting threats, because there's a security apparatus to deal with that. my concern is the local election official who does no